TigersFan Posted October 4, 2024 Share Posted October 4, 2024 The thing is this guy can the beat a Oak Grove or a Taylorsville or some one like that once a year. Yeah, but when they join the mix and play week in and week out against 4 or 5A schools they will struggle. When they get to the playoffs and have to win 4 games to get to the State championships the odds of that will greatly decrease. You realize the 6A private schools play one playoff game to qualify for the state championship. Both Prep and Hartfield are the smaller of the 2 big 4 with about 800 to 1000 in k-12 with an average of about 85 a grade. MRA and JA have 1300 + in the same grades so about 110 per grade. That would put them in the 3A to 4A range. You would not be able to do a multiplier because there are other private school already established in the MHSAA, and if you wanted the smaller ones to join after the MAIS folded they would not join. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky6617 Posted October 4, 2024 Share Posted October 4, 2024 28 minutes ago, TigersFan said: The thing is this guy can the beat an Oak Grove or a Taylorsville or some one like that once a year. Yeah, but when they join the mix and play week in and week out against 4 or 5A schools they will struggle. When they get to the playoffs and have to win 4 games to get to the State championships the odds of that will greatly decrease. You realize the 6A private schools play one playoff game to qualify for the state championship. Both Prep and Hartfield are the smaller of the 2 big 4 with about 800 to 1000 in k-12 with an average of about 85 a grade. MRA and JA have 1300 + in the same grades so about 110 per grade. That would put them in the 3A to 4A range. You would not be able to do a multiplier because there are other private school already established in the MHSAA, and if you wanted the smaller ones to join after the MAIS folded they would not join. Dude, hartfield and MRA and private schools like that would beat Taylorsville 100 times out of 100. The private schools have pretty much dominated public schools overall since the two leagues started playing each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigersFan Posted October 4, 2024 Share Posted October 4, 2024 33 minutes ago, Chunky6617 said: Dude, hartfield and MRA and private schools like that would beat Taylorsville 100 times out of 100. The private schools have pretty much dominated public schools overall since the two leagues started playing each other. And I agree with that once or twice a season but when they start having to play them week in and week out what will happen. MRA plays East Rankin tonight and that game will be over by the end of the first quarter. i think it will be different if they where playing a 3A or 4A schedule all year. Would they still be good and win more than they lose, Yes! But, I think over time that schedule would be a lot harder on them than what they are playing now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 4, 2024 Author Share Posted October 4, 2024 2 hours ago, TigersFan said: The thing is this guy can the beat a Oak Grove or a Taylorsville or some one like that once a year. Yeah, but when they join the mix and play week in and week out against 4 or 5A schools they will struggle. When they get to the playoffs and have to win 4 games to get to the State championships the odds of that will greatly decrease. You realize the 6A private schools play one playoff game to qualify for the state championship. Both Prep and Hartfield are the smaller of the 2 big 4 with about 800 to 1000 in k-12 with an average of about 85 a grade. MRA and JA have 1300 + in the same grades so about 110 per grade. That would put them in the 3A to 4A range. You would not be able to do a multiplier because there are other private school already established in the MHSAA, and if you wanted the smaller ones to join after the MAIS folded they would not join. 2 3As and 2 2As and yes they can handle Region 6 of both classes but struggle against Magee, Raleigh, JDC, Scott Central's of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted October 4, 2024 Share Posted October 4, 2024 I believe Taylorsville and mra are tied at 2 wins each against each other, Taylorsville and prep are tied at 1 each...no Taylorsville can't compete with them right now! And neither could most public schools,not all but most! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky6617 Posted October 4, 2024 Share Posted October 4, 2024 2 hours ago, TigersFan said: And I agree with that once or twice a season but when they start having to play them week in and week out what will happen. MRA plays East Rankin tonight and that game will be over by the end of the first quarter. i think it will be different if they where playing a 3A or 4A schedule all year. Would they still be good and win more than they lose, Yes! But, I think over time that schedule would be a lot harder on them than what they are playing now. Playing teams like oak grove, yes. Playing teams like Taylorsville, no. They would not break a sweat against teams like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky6617 Posted October 4, 2024 Share Posted October 4, 2024 10 minutes ago, BigT said: I believe Taylorsville and mra are tied at 2 wins each against each other, Taylorsville and prep are tied at 1 each...no Taylorsville can't compete with them right now! And neither could most public schools,not all but most! Different MRA and Tville’s now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted October 4, 2024 Share Posted October 4, 2024 That's why I said right now,Taylorsville is down,been down a few times before, but they alwas come back ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 10 hours ago, TigersFan said: And I agree with that once or twice a season but when they start having to play them week in and week out what will happen. MRA plays East Rankin tonight and that game will be over by the end of the first quarter. i think it will be different if they where playing a 3A or 4A schedule all year. Would they still be good and win more than they lose, Yes! But, I think over time that schedule would be a lot harder on them than what they are playing now. MRA crushed Oak Grove; Prep is on the way to doing the same to West Jones - two of the best teams in MHSAA The argument that Prep, MRA, and Hartfield can't compete against the best in MHSAA for a full season is a red herring. They would almost certainly be dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 11 hours ago, Chunky6617 said: Dude, hartfield and MRA and private schools like that would beat Taylorsville 100 times out of 100. The private schools have pretty much dominated public schools overall since the two leagues started playing each other. Didn’t Taylorsville beat one of them 3-4 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 5, 2024 Author Share Posted October 5, 2024 12 minutes ago, Merlin said: Didn’t Taylorsville beat one of them 3-4 years ago? Taylorsville is 2-2 vs MRA. Both are totally different programs right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigT Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 As I said Taylorsville is down right now, they've been down a few times during the years going 4 and 7 several times, they'll be back ! They are like every other good program, there's times their talent pool runs slim and it takes a few years to regain that talent pool ! Look at a lot of your state championship teams from last year,some aren't fairing well this season! It takes a little time to rebuild your talent! And this is what's going on with Taylorsville right now! They'll be back,might take a while! But they always come back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 1 minute ago, BigT said: As I said Taylorsville is down right now, they've been down a few times during the years going 4 and 7 several times, they'll be back ! They are like every other good program, there's times their talent pool runs slim and it takes a few years to regain that talent pool ! Look at a lot of your state championship teams from last year,some aren't fairing well this season! It takes a little time to rebuild your talent! And this is what's going on with Taylorsville right now! They'll be back,might take a while! But they always come back! Taylorsville might be close to being the all-time wins leader, but there are several years that I can't find any info on their seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccbulldog Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 The only way you put those 4 in MSHAA is in 7A. Smaller Public schools can no longer out athlete those schools anymore because they recruit good black players now. Teams like Taylorsville will never again be able to compete with those teams . As a matter of fact, in the future years, I see even a lot of class 7A having trouble competing with them. I could see a division like Prep, JA, MRA, Hartfield, Madison Central, Germantown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choctawman Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 I do not know if I have ever seen such fascination with classification. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWammies Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 13 hours ago, TigersFan said: And I agree with that once or twice a season but when they start having to play them week in and week out what will happen. MRA plays East Rankin tonight and that game will be over by the end of the first quarter. i think it will be different if they were playing a 3A or 4A schedule all year. Would they still be good and win more than they lose, Yes! But, I think over time that schedule would be a lot harder on them than what they are playing now. Every school has an East Rankin type game on their schedule. MRA has already played one of the best teams in Arkansas, played Oak Grove, a Parklane team that handed Choctaw County their only loss who looks to be the best team in 3A North, plus still have Hartfield and Prep who are two of the best in the state left on their schedule. Their schedule is plenty tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 What is the supposed reason for the larger MAIS to join MHSAA? The competition won't be much better unless they compete in 7A, and if they're in 2A-4A it'll be worse. Non sequitur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 15 minutes ago, ccbulldog said: The only way you put those 4 in MSHAA is in 7A. Smaller Public schools can no longer out athlete those schools anymore because they recruit good black players now. Teams like Taylorsville will never again be able to compete with those teams . As a matter of fact, in the future years, I see even a lot of class 7A having trouble competing with them. I could see a division like Prep, JA, MRA, Hartfield, Madison Central, Germantown. Black and white has no consequence. Coaching does. West Jones and Oak Grove have athletes galore, of all races, but were schooled in both games. Superior teams win, regardless of racial factors. Your thinking is 1960's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWammies Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 10 minutes ago, s1nglewing said: What is the supposed reason for the larger MAIS to join MHSAA? The competition won't be much better unless they compete in 7A, and if they're in 2A-4A it'll be worse. Non sequitur. Folks only really talk about the big four but forget there’s teams like Parklane, ACCHS, Tri County, Simpson, Copiah and some others that could compete in 2A-4A but don’t get the same love because the big four is just that much better than them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 5, 2024 Author Share Posted October 5, 2024 18 minutes ago, s1nglewing said: What is the supposed reason for the larger MAIS to join MHSAA? The competition won't be much better unless they compete in 7A, and if they're in 2A-4A it'll be worse. Non sequitur. Rumored but travel to find someone to play outside of region such as Parklane and Oak Forest and up north Pulaski TN, etc. Based on numbers above they all 4 will be 3A. Add PCS to 3A and all of sudden the current bottom 4 (Wesson, East Webster, Enterprise, and Perry Central) drop to 2A. PCS takes Perry Central spot. Mooreville moves up into Wingfield's spot in 4A. Noxubee County and Kemper County go north to replace Mooreville and East Webster. Region 5 becomes SE Lauderdale, McLaurin, and 3 of the 4. Hazlehurst takes Wesson spot in Region 7. And 1 of the 4 is added to Region 6. Another option would be to add those 4 with McLaurin to create a region. And all 4 will make the playoffs and bring big gate money for the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 15 hours ago, NoWammies said: Folks only really talk about the big four but forget there’s teams like Parklane, ACCHS, Tri County, Simpson, Copiah and some others that could compete in 2A-4A but don’t get the same love because the big four is just that much better than them. Tri-County would own 1A. The idea that melanin determines athleticism is fictitious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 5 minutes ago, Rebel Bert said: Rumored but travel to find someone to play outside of region such as Parklane and Oak Forest and up north Pulaski TN, etc. Based on numbers above they all 4 will be 3A. Add PCS to 3A and all of sudden the current bottom 4 (Wesson, East Webster, Enterprise, and Perry Central) drop to 2A. PCS takes Perry Central spot. Mooreville moves up into Wingfield's spot in 4A. Noxubee County and Kemper County go north to replace Mooreville and East Webster. Region 5 becomes SE Lauderdale, McLaurin, and 3 of the 4. Hazlehurst takes Wesson spot in Region 7. And 1 of the 4 is added to Region 6. Another option would be to add those 4 with McLaurin to create a region. And all 4 will make the playoffs and bring big gate money for the playoffs. Pulaski is in Arkansas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoWammies Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, s1nglewing said: Tri-County would own 1A. The fallacy that melanin determines athleticism is fictitious. I wouldn’t exactly say own because for example their only loss last year was to Taylorsville but they would be a perfect fit for 1A and certainly be a contender every year. Tri County and Simpson are good examples for the discussion above about Taylorsville against the big four. At this stage in time Taylorsville is on those two’s level since last years game against Tri County was a good one(unfortunately this year got canceled) and they’re 0-2 against Simpson the last two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 1 minute ago, NoWammies said: I wouldn’t exactly say own because for example their only loss last year was to Taylorsville but they would be a perfect fit for 1A and certainly be a contender every year. Tri County and Simpson are good examples for the discussion above about Taylorsville against the big four. At this stage in time Taylorsville is on those two’s level since last years game against Tri County was a good one(unfortunately this year got canceled) and they’re 0-2 against Simpson the last two years. This season they surely would. Probably 2A as well... maybe 3A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders 10 Posted October 5, 2024 Share Posted October 5, 2024 27 minutes ago, s1nglewing said: Pulaski is in Arkansas what about Shannon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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