CFB Week 8 Thread

[Dawg83]

3 hours ago, maroontide06 said:

What are y'alls thoughts on Shane Beamer's broken foot temper tantrum?  Is he feeling the heat from the hot seat or what?

I don’t think he’s on the hot seat yet, his first two years went pretty well and this is the first setback. Feels like like Mullen’s third year at State. Problem is that SC’s path to 6 wins is now iffy at best. Blowing that lead to Florida may prove very costly at year end.

[Bulldogs4]

I think all this hot seat talk is mostly hot air about Hall or most any other Coach for that matter. He should not be at all. The only coaches that should be coaching for their jobs are those that have been in their position 5+ years and are falling way way short of REASONABLE expectations. And that needs to be looked at in context as to the circumstances surrounding the program..injuries, scheduling, asst. coaching turnover etc before a change is considered. 
 

Our microwave society wants results yesterday and some fans seem to think you can build a program overnight. IMO, it is going to be even more difficult now with NIL because football teams need time and games played together to gel and improve. Colorado is a good example. They turned over 90% of their roster. Won one big game but they may not win another game the rest of the season. Just throwing a bunch of players together will not win you games consistently. Plugging a hole or two in your existing team is certainly a win. But not 90% of your roster. 
 

My prediction is that if the NIL and transfer portal continues to be like the Wild West, then the quality of play in CFB is going to decline precipitously. 
 

If it settles down some to where teams can pick up a couple of players or so each year, then I think everyone will benefit. 
 

Constant turnover in HC and players will be disastrous for CFB (IMO). There has to be some modem of stability in place. 

[Dawg83]

7 hours ago, Bulldogs4 said:

I think all this hot seat talk is mostly hot air about Hall or most any other Coach for that matter. He should not be at all. The only coaches that should be coaching for their jobs are those that have been in their position 5+ years and are falling way way short of REASONABLE expectations. And that needs to be looked at in context as to the circumstances surrounding the program..injuries, scheduling, asst. coaching turnover etc before a change is considered. 
 

Our microwave society wants results yesterday and some fans seem to think you can build a program overnight. IMO, it is going to be even more difficult now with NIL because football teams need time and games played together to gel and improve. Colorado is a good example. They turned over 90% of their roster. Won one big game but they may not win another game the rest of the season. Just throwing a bunch of players together will not win you games consistently. Plugging a hole or two in your existing team is certainly a win. But not 90% of your roster. 
 

My prediction is that if the NIL and transfer portal continues to be like the Wild West, then the quality of play in CFB is going to decline precipitously. 
 

If it settles down some to where teams can pick up a couple of players or so each year, then I think everyone will benefit. 
 

Constant turnover in HC and players will be disastrous for CFB (IMO). There has to be some modem of stability in place. 

I agree with the general sentiment, but it’s the world we are in now and decision makers have to adapt to it.

 

In a perfect world does someone like Zach Arnett get 4-5 years? I dunno, but your fans and donors that pour money into the program aren’t gonna wait that long and keep supporting the program at the level you need if you’re dealing with multiple bad years. It also doesn’t help that your arch rival is thriving while you spin your wheels.

 

In a world where teams can be rebuilt in one offseason rather needing multiple years of recruiting just to be competitive, I get why leashes are shorter with coaches. 

[Former Coach]

9 hours ago, Dawg83 said:

I agree with the general sentiment, but it’s the world we are in now and decision makers have to adapt to it.

 

In a perfect world does someone like Zach Arnett get 4-5 years? I dunno, but your fans and donors that pour money into the program aren’t gonna wait that long and keep supporting the program at the level you need if you’re dealing with multiple bad years. It also doesn’t help that your arch rival is thriving while you spin your wheels.

 

In a world where teams can be rebuilt in one offseason rather needing multiple years of recruiting just to be competitive, I get why leashes are shorter with coaches. 

In today's world of instant gratification, coaches, in most cases, aren't going to be given over a couple years to win or their out. John Wooden coached 14 years at UCLA before winning his first Championship. That will never happen in todays win now society.

[coastfootballfanman]

10 hours ago, Dawg83 said:

I agree with the general sentiment, but it’s the world we are in now and decision makers have to adapt to it.

 

In a perfect world does someone like Zach Arnett get 4-5 years? I dunno, but your fans and donors that pour money into the program aren’t gonna wait that long and keep supporting the program at the level you need if you’re dealing with multiple bad years. It also doesn’t help that your arch rival is thriving while you spin your wheels.

 

In a world where teams can be rebuilt in one offseason rather needing multiple years of recruiting just to be competitive, I get why leashes are shorter with coaches. 

Your last sentence hit the nail on the head. Which is why in my opinion, there is no excuse now to not be successful with being able to upgrade your roster significantly in a year. Hall has whiffed on transfers and some high school players and it is showing. This is his team with players that he and his staff brought in. I also think if they were 3-3 or 3-4 he would be fine. They have lost some close games they had chances in but still lost them. The overall view of the program is not good either. Looks disjointed and not together from the outside. It feels like Hall has officially lost the locker room and when that happens, it is hard to get it back. 

[Dawg83]

It’s never fun to have a bad football team but it sure does make fan sites more amusing.

 

State is only 3-3 and technically could still comfortably qualify for a bowl game and the message boards are already debating if they should hire Tom Herman or Jamey Chadwell.

 

Saw something on message board geniuses where an A&M fan was alleging that the reason for their struggles is that the team’s diet is making them gassy and they are farting more than they should be.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Dawg83

[coastfootballfanman]

1 minute ago, Dawg83 said:

It’s never fun to have a bad football team but it sure does make fan sites more amusing.

 

State is only 3-3 and technically could still comfortably qualify for a bowl game and the message boards are already debating if they should hire Tom Herman or Jamey Chadwell.

 

Saw something on message board geniuses where an A&M fan was alleging that the reason for their struggles is that the team’s diet is making them gassy and they are farting more than they should be.

I agree. It is tough and I think it is too early on Arnett. Now if by year 2 or 3 there is still the same issues, then yeah, look elsewhere. If I were a State fan, I would take Chadwell in a heartbeat. His offense is unique, fun to watch and adaptable based on personnel. He has been successful at a lot of places. 

[Dawg83]

I am not usually in the camp of making a quick change but something has been off this whole season. Hasn’t felt right even in Week 1 as they were struggling early against SE LA. 

 

My personal opinion is that Arnett only got the job because of extreme circumstances, and therefore State would be justified in making a move if needed. Especially with his boss not being the one that hired him. I don’t dislike Arnett but I think if State had been given the luxury of a normal coaching search last year, he wouldn’t have gotten the job.

 

If State gets to 6 wins I fully believe he’s back. If they go 5-7 I think it’s 50/50 and depends on how competitive the Egg Bowl is. 4-8 or 3-9 and I don’t see how you can proceed on this route.

 

Maybe that’s impatient. But State can’t allow itself to have a major question mark at head coach for very long. Not when you compare Arnett to the other coaches in this league, and are adding two more blue bloods  next year who seem to be on the uptick.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Dawg83

[coastfootballfanman]

11 minutes ago, Dawg83 said:

I am not usually in the camp of making a quick change but something has been off this whole season. Hasn’t felt right even in Week 1 as they were struggling early against SE LA. 

 

My personal opinion is that Arnett only got the job because of extreme circumstances, and therefore State would be justified in making a move if needed. Especially with his boss not being the one that hired him. I don’t dislike Arnett but I think if State had been given the luxury of a normal coaching search last year, he wouldn’t have gotten the job.

 

If State gets to 6 wins I fully believe he’s back. If they go 5-7 I think it’s 50/50 and depends on how competitive the Egg Bowl is. 4-8 or 3-9 and I don’t see how you can proceed on this route.

 

Maybe that’s impatient. But State can’t allow itself to have a major question mark at head coach for very long. Not when you compare Arnett to the other coaches in this league, and are adding two more blue bloods  next year who seem to be on the uptick.

I agree. If we are not bowl eligible, I believe State need to start looking elsewhere. I do not believe he gets the job if the circumstances that took place for him to get hired do not happen. If he was to be let go, where do the Dawgs go? Established HFC with experience at a smaller conference school? Hot shot coordinator from a big time program?

[Dawg83]

1 hour ago, coastfootballfanman said:

I agree. If we are not bowl eligible, I believe State need to start looking elsewhere. I do not believe he gets the job if the circumstances that took place for him to get hired do not happen. If he was to be let go, where do the Dawgs go? Established HFC with experience at a smaller conference school? Hot shot coordinator from a big time program?

I would be shocked if they didn’t target someone with head coaching experience. Would be a little odd to get rid of inexperience and replace it with more inexperience.

[s1nglewing]

Will Hall said he will give up play calling duties to Sam Gregg (OL/OC coach) and Jordy Joseph (QB coach).

Hall made the announcement on SuperTalk Eagle Hour

[hasbeen67]

USM faces to even greater degree the same issues as MSU with recruiting, NIL in today's college football. Granted, they don't have to compete on SEC level, but relatively the same position. Or should they be in a little better position given their peers?

[Unionman76]

note to future self, never hire one of your assistants as head coach

[maroontide06]

13 minutes ago, Unionman76 said:

note to future self, never hire one of your assistants as head coach

That's funny as all get out, but let me take a serious side on that for a minute.  Nobody knew Mike Leach would suddenly pass away and it was a terrible thing that happened.  State didn't have Zac Selmon hired at the time and you had ding dong Bracky Brett in charge on an interim basis.  It was kind of like an instinctive reaction type hire, but what else was there to do?   It was a massive curve ball thrown at you and all you can do at that situation is react.  There wasn't time to go through a proper coaching search to get the best coach you could get.  Is there time to do that now?  Yes there is and if a change is to be made, I don't think you'll see Zac Selmon settle.

[Dawg83]

4 hours ago, Unionman76 said:

note to future self, never hire one of your assistants as head coach

I’ve seen it work but it definitely feels like more often than not it doesn’t. Obviously a unique set of circumstances with Arnett’s hiring though.

[rebmus]

Seems like we've gone from guessing who will win, to guessing when Arnett is fired and who is hired? LOL

 

The past couple of years went to guessing where Lane took a job at to leave Ole Miss. 

 

Give it a few weeks, we may be guessing at BOTH? 

 

A pretty good slate of football to watch tomorrow. 

[Bulldogs4]

In fairness to Bracky Brett, I believe Dr. Keenum made the decision to elevate Arnett. At that moment in time it was absolutely the right decision. And it may still be the right decision. 
We still have six games left and while only one of them is a sure win, the other five games are not sure losses by any means. 
 

The most important thing for this team right now is to just win a game. I know that sounds corny. But just winning a game tomorrow can turn the season around going forward. Obviously us fans don’t have much confidence that will happen but we will see what happens. 
 

 

 

[Dawg83]

Rogers confirmed to be out for State today. I guess we will see what Mike Wright can do as THE guy rather than a change of pace guy.

[Bulldogs4]

At least he is not a rookie in his first rodeo. 

[Dawg83]

OK is Arkansas this bad on offense or did State make some major changes during the bye week?

 

My guess is some of both.

[maroontide06]

State’s up at the half.  Maybe they can finish the ballgame and leave Fayetteville with a win but anything can happen though.

[hasbeen67]

How do you explain Arkansas looks worse against MSU than Alabama? MSU looks at least competent defensively against Arkansas, but not so with Alabama. Wright gives you some things Rogers doesn't, but overall not a positive. 

 

Saved on that 4th down turnover. Does anybody like that decison?

 

I've always thought Jefferson was a little underrated. Not so today.

Edited October 21, 2023 by hasbeen67

[hasbeen67]

They looked like two teams who bet the under and were trying to make sure they got it. As it turned out, that shouldn't have been that hard.

[rebmus]

It's fairly rare that a false start penalty wins you a game. 

That was a much needed win for both teams today, MSU escaped with the W. We'll see how they build on this win. 

 

Pittman is all but done at Arkansas. He MAY not be the coach this Monday. 

[hasbeen67]

They've maybe checked out on Pittman for whatever reason. Arkansas should have been able to win that game. But I guess we take whatever we can get at this point. 

That was some offensive offensive football. 

Edited October 21, 2023 by hasbeen67