Coaching Search

[MSTSatchmo]

I was wondering why nobody is mentioning Fritz. 
I really don’t see boosters getting behind a coordinator this time, unless several turn the job down.  Also, as good as Duke has been under Elko, I think a defensive coach is a hard sell.  Although he obviously has hired a pretty good OC at Duke.   
 

It will take a very creative offensive guy to make a change.  Someone who can do more will a little less than the other teams.  There are some of those available at some smaller programs.   It’s just a matter of can they make it work in the SEC.   

Edited November 13, 2023 by MSTSatchmo

[maroontide06]

https://telegra.ph/Stoops-to-Mississippi-State-Picking-Up-Steam-11-13

 

Don't know if there's any merit behind this or not.

[coastfootballfanman]

12 minutes ago, maroontide06 said:

https://telegra.ph/Stoops-to-Mississippi-State-Picking-Up-Steam-11-13

 

Don't know if there's any merit behind this or not.

I would wager there is very littler merit to this. LOL

 

I think CIgnetti, Lashlee, and Chadwell are your 3 best bets. As a lifelong State fan, I would love Chadwell honestly. He runs a great system that really spreads the ball around and is tough defend. As a Tulane alum, I would like to keep Fritz. LOL He appears to have elevated our program (especially over the past 2 years) to a higher level so State needs to not even call him. 

[Dawg83]

The one big negative about a midseason coaching change is you get all excited on the first day of the search and now there won’t be any real news for two, possibly three weeks depending on who you are targeting. Several candidates that have been mentioned may still be coaching their teams in a conference title game the first weekend of December.

[maroontide06]

3 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

I would wager there is very littler merit to this. LOL

 

I think CIgnetti, Lashlee, and Chadwell are your 3 best bets. As a lifelong State fan, I would love Chadwell honestly. He runs a great system that really spreads the ball around and is tough defend. As a Tulane alum, I would like to keep Fritz. LOL He appears to have elevated our program (especially over the past 2 years) to a higher level so State needs to not even call him. 

I honestly have no idea how it's going to go.  Hopefully the guy that Selmon gets can be a shot in the arm and turn things around quickly.

[Dawg83]

If I had to call my shot on Day 1 of the search, I think State’s next coach is Rhett Lashlee. Which means it will 100% not be Rhett Lashlee.

 

I had them hiring Bill Clark in 2017 and Billy Napier in early 2020 so my track record in these things is not good. Lol.

[maroontide06]

1 hour ago, Dawg83 said:

If I had to call my shot on Day 1 of the search, I think State’s next coach is Rhett Lashlee. Which means it will 100% not be Rhett Lashlee.

 

I had them hiring Bill Clark in 2017 and Billy Napier in early 2020 so my track record in these things is not good. Lol.

Who the heck is that? LOL!  Just so long as he doesn't come in asking for ring sizes.

[Dawg83]

46 minutes ago, maroontide06 said:

Who the heck is that? LOL!  Just so long as he doesn't come in asking for ring sizes.

Lashlee? He’s the head coach at SMU and they’re having a really good season. 8-2 and only losses so far are Oklahoma and TCU. Long time Gus Malzahn protege. Young guy, SEC experience, exciting offense, been good on defense too this year.

[MSTSatchmo]

Lashlee would be a good pick.  The only negative is he has only been a head coach for two years.  Cignetti and Chadwell have more head coach experience, but they may have multiple options.  Lashlee too once the season is over and more jobs become available. 
 

I guess Clay Helton has kinda died down as a hot name similar to Herman.  He’s 6-4 currently at GS, and was 6-7 last year.  He didn’t have a horrible record at USC.  

[Dawg83]

18 minutes ago, MSTSatchmo said:

Lashlee would be a good pick.  The only negative is he has only been a head coach for two years.  Cignetti and Chadwell have more head coach experience, but they may have multiple options.  Lashlee too once the season is over and more jobs become available. 
 

I guess Clay Helton has kinda died down as a hot name similar to Herman.  He’s 6-4 currently at GS, and was 6-7 last year.  He didn’t have a horrible record at USC.  

I just don’t feel like Helton ever had much juice at USC. Like he did OK but wasn’t exciting at all. Best comparison I can think of is what Ben Howland was for State basketball.

 

What’s tough to know yet is who exactly would have serious interest in this job. It’s easy to sit here and rattle off sitting head coaches but this isn’t a program with a long history of those kind of hires. Even with Leach, he ended up being the hire but the two most serious other candidates were assistants at the time (Judge and Sarkisian). Moorhead was Penn State OC. Mullen was Florida OC. Croom was a Packers assistant. Sherrill was out of coaching when State hired him. I could go on.

 

Now obviously you have a new AD who may think differently. But that’s another wrinkle to this, don’t really know what Selmon’s M.O. is at this stage.

Edited November 13, 2023 by Dawg83

[Unionman76]

jackie is available

 

he kinda looked like moses with that walking stick

[hasbeen67]

Who besides Stoops from the Oklahoma family, would Selmon have connections with?

[Dawg83]

2 hours ago, hasbeen67 said:

Who besides Stoops from the Oklahoma family, would Selmon have connections with?

Jeff Lebby and Shane Beamer are the two primary names that come to mind. But I don’t foresee either of those being the guy right now.

[MSTSatchmo]

Beamer was in a roll to end last season.  A few big wins, QB was lighting it up, picked up some big time recruits, then this season has been a dud.  He is making $6m now, so State would be stepping way up for some ok results so far.   His name has made the rounds though.  

I could see Lebby being a candidate, but only after several turn the job down.   

[rebmus]

What's the win expectation through 10 games for the new MSU coach next year? 

5?

6?

More? 

 

[coastfootballfanman]

The more I research Jamey Chadwell, the more I like him. Parson would be a solid fit for what he likes to do offensively. Meshing the triple option attack with modern spread offense and RPO. He has been jam up pretty much anywhere he has been. He coached at Delta State he will not be foreign to Mississippi. I will say I like Lashlee a lot, but as others mentioned, only two years experience is a bit of a concern. I worry about age with guys like Fritz and Cignetti on the flip side. How much longer will they want to coach? 

[MSTSatchmo]

8 minutes ago, rebmus said:

What's the win expectation through 10 games for the new MSU coach next year? 

5?

6?

More? 

 

I just took a look at State’s 2024 schedule.   Damn.  I’d say 4.  

[Dawg83]

4 minutes ago, MSTSatchmo said:

I just took a look at State’s 2024 schedule.   Damn.  I’d say 4.  

I don’t feel like it’s any worse than most years. Yeah it’s gonna be tough to win a single road SEC game but the home opponents aren’t terrible. Problem is they are gonna have a roster overhaul and I don’t know what that looks like, and obviously we don’t know who’s coaching them yet.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Dawg83

[Dawg83]

2024 was set to be a rebuilding year no matter who the coach was. Even if Leach still here. 2023 was supposedly the year to have a strong season and they have spectacularly wasted a year where the rest of the league wasn’t very good.

[coastfootballfanman]

13 minutes ago, rebmus said:

What's the win expectation through 10 games for the new MSU coach next year? 

5?

6?

More? 

 

Probably 3-6 range depending on how things swing. The problem in my opinion was not the W/L column more than it was culture. From all accounts, he lost a good bit of the locker room getting rid of some of the coaches that were loyal to Leach when he took over and then as things progressed this year, he lost a lot more. The team did not seem to have much fight in them. They look deflated the majority of the time (especially in most of the SEC games). I felt as though the players chalked it up and did not care and that reflects back to leadership within the coaching staff. 

[Dawg83]

6 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

The more I research Jamey Chadwell, the more I like him. Parson would be a solid fit for what he likes to do offensively. Meshing the triple option attack with modern spread offense and RPO. He has been jam up pretty much anywhere he has been. He coached at Delta State he will not be foreign to Mississippi. I will say I like Lashlee a lot, but as others mentioned, only two years experience is a bit of a concern. I worry about age with guys like Fritz and Cignetti on the flip side. How much longer will they want to coach? 

I don’t think age should be a primary factor 9 times out of 10. So maybe you hire a coach in his 60’s that may retire in 5 years. Is that really any different than a 40 year old coach that may bolt for a different job in 5 years or less?

[MSTSatchmo]

9 minutes ago, Dawg83 said:

I don’t feel like it’s any worse than most years. Yeah it’s gonna be tough to win a single road SEC game but the home opponents aren’t bad at all. Problem is they are gonna have a roster overhaul and I don’t know what that looks like, and obviously we don’t know who’s coaching them yet.

Right.  Those road games just caught my eye.  At Arizona State, at Georgia, then end the year at OM, Tennessee and Texas.  

[Dawg83]

3 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

Probably 3-6 range depending on how things swing. The problem in my opinion was not the W/L column more than it was culture. From all accounts, he lost a good bit of the locker room getting rid of some of the coaches that were loyal to Leach when he took over and then as things progressed this year, he lost a lot more. The team did not seem to have much fight in them. They look deflated the majority of the time (especially in most of the SEC games). I felt as though the players chalked it up and did not care and that reflects back to leadership within the coaching staff. 

You can’t lose by 3 touchdowns at home to unranked Kentucky. You can’t lose by 41 to an unranked A&M who was playing a third stringer. You can’t go an entire month without scoring 14 points in a game.

 

If State was losing competitive games and just seemed snakebit that would be one thing. But they literally haven’t looked good in a single game this year, even in wins. And this is coming off a 9-4 season where you returned a lot for this year.

 

Next year may be a challenge regardless of who the coach is. But if the new coach is someone the fan base can get behind, you can tolerate some Year 1 growing pains. This season was a lot more than Year 1 growing pains, though.

[Dawg83]

3 minutes ago, MSTSatchmo said:

Right.  Those road games just caught my eye.  At Arizona State, at Georgia, then end the year at OM, Tennessee and Texas.  

Arizona State isn’t good but they are in Year 1 of a new coaching staff. That will be a big early season game for both teams.

[pancho]

Whomever the new HC is should offer bank to the A&M 3rd string QB