maroontide06 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 15 hours ago, Dawg83 said: I always felt like they kinda put Luke in a no win situation. He always felt like the stop gap coach that was just there to get them through probation. Never once thought he would be there long or had much shot of being a long term success. He was an Ole Miss guy that loved his school and he won an Egg Bowl where Nick Fitzgerald broke his ankle… those are pretty much the only reasons they went with him. With Arnett, I could see a scenario where he really thrives. It’s far from a given, first time head coaches are a total roll of the dice. But unlike Luke, I can see a path forward for Arnett. I saw you started a thread on the Genes Page vip football board about Kiffin vs. Arnett Social Media. Well Kiffin wins there in a landslide because Arnett hasn't posted anything on his Twitter account since 2020. I think he's a no frills kind of guy that can do without social media. He's old school to the core and for some reason I kind of like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg83 Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, maroontide06 said: I saw you started a thread on the Genes Page vip football board about Kiffin vs. Arnett Social Media. Well Kiffin wins there in a landslide because Arnett hasn't posted anything on his Twitter account since 2020. I think he's a no frills kind of guy that can do without social media. He's old school to the core and for some reason I kind of like that. They are a good example of both extremes lol. Zach will probably have to be a little more active than he is, but Lane could stand to tone down some of the teenage girl stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg83 Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) The OC hire for State feels really important considering you’ll have a first time head coach with a defensive background. The more I think about it, the more I don’t think you can promote from within on this one. Probably need an experienced play caller and there’s not one currently on staff. State is paying Arnett $3M a year, which is almost half of what they were paying Leach, so they can afford to splurge on a coordinator here. I would expect them to go with a Leach disciple, though I’m not hearing any specific names yet. If it were my hire, I would make Zach Kittley at Texas Tech tell me no. If that doesn’t work I’d look at Seth Littrell (recently fired North Texas head coach) or Graham Harrell (West Virginia). And if that doesn’t work I’d turn to someone like Chris Hatcher (Samford head coach). Edited December 16, 2022 by Dawg83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroontide06 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Dawg83 said: The OC hire for State feels really important considering you’ll have a first time head coach with a defensive background. The more I think about it, the more I don’t think you can promote from within on this one. Probably need an experienced play caller and there’s not one currently on staff. State is paying Arnett $3M a year, which is almost half of what they were paying Leach, so they can afford to splurge on a coordinator here. I would expect them to go with a Leach disciple, though I’m not hearing any specific names yet. If it were my hire, I would make Zach Kittley at Texas Tech tell me no. If that doesn’t work I’d look at Seth Littrell (recently fired North Texas head coach) or Graham Harrell (West Virginia). And if that doesn’t work I’d turn to someone like Chris Hatcher (Samford head coach). It almost sounds like you’ll need to make a couple of hires on the offensive side unless the future OC also doubles as QB Coach as well. I don’t think they’ll completely abandon the air raid, but hopefully we can have more of a running threat with the QB position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroontide06 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 The main concern for improvement would be how to get something positive out of a play when the pocket breaks down. The QB should be aware most of the time when this happens so it requires quick decision making. Chances are there’s probably a running lane somewhere to get some positive yardage instead of throwing an incompletion or taking a sack which could have been avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSTSatchmo Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, maroontide06 said: It almost sounds like you’ll need to make a couple of hires on the offensive side unless the future OC also doubles as QB Coach as well. I don’t think they’ll completely abandon the air raid, but hopefully we can have more of a running threat with the QB position. I’m not sure which one it was, but one of the coaches that 83 mentioned I read runs the Air Raid but still runs the football around 40% of the time. You’d think the Air Raid is most effective throwing 50+ times to 10+ different guys, but some nights you’re just going to need to run the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroontide06 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, MSTSatchmo said: I’m not sure which one it was, but one of the coaches that 83 mentioned I read runs the Air Raid but still runs the football around 40% of the time. You’d think the Air Raid is most effective throwing 50+ times to 10+ different guys, but some nights you’re just going to need to run the football. I could be 100% wrong on this, but it seems like the Air Raid works 500 times better when there’s an effective and established running game. You certainly don’t have to run the football a majority of the time either and by doing that you avoid getting vanilla on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg83 Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 11 hours ago, MSTSatchmo said: I’m not sure which one it was, but one of the coaches that 83 mentioned I read runs the Air Raid but still runs the football around 40% of the time. You’d think the Air Raid is most effective throwing 50+ times to 10+ different guys, but some nights you’re just going to need to run the football. Leach was basically the only coach still running the pure Air Raid the same way he and Mumme designed it at Iowa Wesleyan 30+ years ago. That’s not a knock, he was still winning games with that system this season. But his disciples have done some things to adapt it over the years and incorporated more runs. Point being, unless State just promotes Spurrier or Miller to OC and they keep running the Mike Leach playbook (more of a pamphlet or a flyer than a book, lol), any outside OC hire is going to have an offense that looks at least a little different from what Leach did, and that’s including other Air Raid coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroontide06 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Dawg83 said: Leach was basically the only coach still running the pure Air Raid the same way he and Mumme designed it at Iowa Wesleyan 30+ years ago. That’s not a knock, he was still winning games with that system this season. But his disciples have done some things to adapt it over the years and incorporated more runs. Point being, unless State just promotes Spurrier or Miller to OC and they keep running the Mike Leach playbook (more of a pamphlet or a flyer than a book, lol), any outside OC hire is going to have an offense that looks at least a little different from what Leach did, and that’s including other Air Raid coaches. Do you think we will emphasize running the football more next year or do you think they will try to keep the Leach playsheet intact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogs4 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I think we will keep most of the air raid elements but definitely run the ball more. More of 2-1 pass run ratio. Possibly 65-35 or 60-40. Since we have recruited to that type of offense it would be dumb to change overnight. So IMO, it gets tweaked some but definitely not abandoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg83 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 7 hours ago, maroontide06 said: Do you think we will emphasize running the football more next year or do you think they will try to keep the Leach playsheet intact? Depends on the OC, but most likely they run it a little more than Leach teams did. Although State ran the ball a good bit more this year than they did in Leach’s first two years. Particularly in the Arkansas game and the Egg Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebmus Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Southern Miss won their bowl game 38-24 over Rice today, congrats to the USM fans. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogs4 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Frank Gore Jr. is a MAN. I know the P5 schools passed on him because he was to SMALL. All I know is, I would like to have him on my team. He reminds of a smaller version of Franco Harris. Of course, his Dad was a tremendous RB in his own right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg83 Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 The best part of the game was Gore stiff arming his aunt and telling her to chill when she popped in on his postgame interview. Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionman76 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 rara to gaga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroontide06 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 State had a solid day today on signing day. I'm glad things went well with everything that has gone on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg83 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 You have to give Arnett and company a ton of credit for holding the ship together during an obviously difficult time. They only lost one commitment and added several in the last 10 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroontide06 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Was Ole Miss intentionally mediocre on signing day? It seems like they were that way for a reason. Is Lane just a portal guy or something? Because if that’s the case I can understand why they didn’t put much emphasis on signing day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSTSatchmo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, maroontide06 said: Was Ole Miss intentionally mediocre on signing day? It seems like they were that way for a reason. Is Lane just a portal guy or something? Because if that’s the case I can understand why they didn’t put much emphasis on signing day. I think they had 11 signees and 7 were 4* players. That’s quality players just not quantity. Losing the QB to A&M hurt, but I’m sure they’ll throw some money around in the portal. Everyone keeps saying “Kiffin is a portal guy”, but this is really just the second year with a full portal. He did go all in last year, and I would imagine it wasn’t the plan this year, but just worked out like it has. State’s coaching did a great job under the circumstances. Now the question is how many of these high school players nationwide will leave after their first year. Lol. Signing day just doesn’t seem like the big deal it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSTSatchmo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Did y’all see the Pitt coach’s comment that he knows 2 schools offered Drake Maye from UNC $5m to transfer. Supposedly an SEC school offered $4m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pancho Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I believe that's a true statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insideradvantage Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Ole Miss is up to 12 now, but still quite a bit fewer than most everybody else. By design, except for three decommits, I'd think very much so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSTSatchmo Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I’m not sure what OM is going to do about the QB situation. I’d think most QBs in the portal are looking to play, not be a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 1 hour ago, MSTSatchmo said: I’m not sure what OM is going to do about the QB situation. I’d think most QBs in the portal are looking to play, not be a backup. Altmyer will be a backup wherever he goes if D1. Not impressive from what I've seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg83 Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 Kiffin’s portal strategy is a very boom or bust one. And kinda suggests that he’s “here for a good time, not here for a long time” as some might say. If you hit on those guys then it’s all good, but if you miss on the majority of them then it can really hurt you in the short term and long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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