CFB Week 10 Thread

[rebmus]

3 hours ago, coastfootballfanman said:

You do make a valid point. He may feel he can hold out for a “better” gig. Maybe State could throw enough money at him to convince him. LOL. 

I'd imagine State would have to (and can) throw a good bit of money to hire a decent coach... I also imagine whoever takes the job will demand a pretty high buyout after seeing Arnett fired after 1 year. 

 

 

[MSTSatchmo]

If they’re worth hiring, they would probably come with a high buyout.  
 

I would imagine State or someone on State’s behalf has already being gauging interest the last few weeks. 

[BrickCity]

1 hour ago, MSTSatchmo said:

If they’re worth hiring, they would probably come with a high buyout.  
 

I would imagine State or someone on State’s behalf has already being gauging interest the last few weeks. 

I agree, I would not be surprised if we see something announced after the egg bowl

[MSTSatchmo]

If and it’s a possible “if”, OM beats Georgia this weekend, they’re still in a decent spot for a playoff spot.  Every year there are upsets the last week or two of the season.  
 

Florida State has looked shaky at times.   Washington has a game coming up with Utah.  You’re looking at either Ohio State or Michigan undefeated.  We don’t know what’s going to happen with Michigan now that it’s being reported that Harbaugh is about to be suspended indefinitely.  
 

There are a lot of different scenarios left.  

[maroontide06]

26 minutes ago, BrickCity said:

I agree, I would not be surprised if we see something announced after the egg bowl

If you go that route, then already have your guy in place.  Don’t announce a typical firing, then immediate coaching search.  That ain’t gonna cut the mustard.

[Bulldogs4]

The most Ole Miss thing to do is beat Georgia and then lose to State in the Egg Bowl. 

[Bulldogs4]

And to be fair State did that in 2014, when we had an opportunity to be 11-1. Now granted that Ole Miss team was much better than this years State team. 

[Dawg83]

I’ve been a State fan for 24-25 years…. State beating Ole Miss this year would be the most shocking Egg Bowl result since I’ve been watching college football.

[MSTSatchmo]

I’m expecting the most lopsided win since OM won 45-0 in Croom’s last game at State.    

[Dawg83]

Like I mentioned earlier, not sure on if there have been communications already, but if I were making the hire, Curt Cignetti at James Madison would be my first call. He’s 62 so you won’t have him for 15 years, but his winning percentage as a head coach is HIGH, he’s a former Saban assistant, was Phillip Rivers’ QB coach at NC State, making less than $700K currently. Go get that guy. If you don’t, someone else will, or they dang well should.

[Former Coach]

Do we need to or will we make a change, I don't know. But if we do it needs to a big time Power 5 coach or very successful coordinator. Now the million dollar question, WHO wants our job. Leech was not our first choice, no other big time coach wanted it. 

[Dawg83]

30 minutes ago, Former Coach said:

Do we need to or will we make a change, I don't know. But if we do it needs to a big time Power 5 coach or very successful coordinator. Now the million dollar question, WHO wants our job. Leech was not our first choice, no other big time coach wanted it. 

I’m out on hiring a coordinator. You gotta have someone that’s been a head coach before.

 

There are very good coaches at the G5 level that could win at State. You’re just very limited in what active P5 head coaches would come to State. I know Leach made the jump but he’s a rare bird that was trying to get back in the SEC for a long time. I know for a fact he wanted the Ole Miss job when they hired Freeze. And infamously he was about to take the Tennessee job prior to the Phil Fulmer coup.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Dawg83

[coastfootballfanman]

Me and some buddies were talking about the possibility of a new HFC for Mississippi and these were best names in my opinion of coaches State could get with HFC experience:

Jamey Chadwell

Curt Cignetti

Rhett Lashlee

Clay Helton

 

Wildcards:

Manny Diaz

Dan Mullen (LOL)

[MSTSatchmo]

Two interesting names i have seen mentioned are Tom Herman and Gus Malzhan.  
 

I’m not sure if Malzhan would want to return to the SEC.  I doubt the UCF boosters are as “hands on” as the Auburn boosters were, and he may have had enough of that type environment.   
Herman didn’t do a bad job at Texas and was really good at Houston.   It all depends on how attractive the State job is.  He could possible get another shot at a P5 school later. 

[Dawg83]

1 hour ago, MSTSatchmo said:

Two interesting names i have seen mentioned are Tom Herman and Gus Malzhan.  
 

I’m not sure if Malzhan would want to return to the SEC.  I doubt the UCF boosters are as “hands on” as the Auburn boosters were, and he may have had enough of that type environment.   
Herman didn’t do a bad job at Texas and was really good at Houston.   It all depends on how attractive the State job is.  He could possible get another shot at a P5 school later. 

I don’t think so on Gus, especially now that UCF is in a P5 conference.

 

Herman I think could absolutely be a possibility and there are a lot of natural comparisons to Ole Miss hiring Kiffin (who also was at FAU, ironically). Also some comparisons to Mullen given the Urban Meyer connections.

 

Rewind the clock to 2016, Herman was the coach that everyone in America wanted. I mean the guy literally got to pick which job he wanted more between Texas and LSU. He may have chosen poorly. But nobody at that time ever thought Mississippi State would be in a spot where they could potentially hire Herman at any point in the future.

 

It obviously didn’t go amazingly for him at Texas but they were better than he got credit for. Especially compared to the Charlie Strong era. They finished in the Top 25 in each of his last three years and beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl one of those years. And yeah, he was awesome at Houston and highly regarded as an OC at Ohio State.

 

I think Herman makes a lot of sense for State.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Dawg83

[Unionman76]

take silverfield, please

 

no. 11 in nation in scoring average

[Dawg83]

29 minutes ago, Unionman76 said:

take silverfield, please

 

no. 11 in nation in scoring average

That feels like a trap. They’re not loving him  at Memphis.

[Dawg83]

GJ Kinne at Texas State is another name I’ve seen mentioned. He’s a high upside guy who’s done some really good things as a young head coach, but he would be an enormous gamble in this kind of role. Probably needs another couple of years of experience.

[MSTSatchmo]

You knew it was coming, but State lost a commitment from a 4* WR from Starkville today.  That dropped State to 16th in the SEC currently.  Two spots below Vandy! 
 

 

[Bulldogs4]

Things do look bleak but back in 2013, Mullen was on the verge of being fired before State beat Arkansas and Ole Miss and then won the Liberty Bowl. Not saying this year’s team will do that but it is a bit disappointing to me that everyone has already jumped off a cliff with three games to play in the season. That is still 25% of the season left. 
It would at least behoove everyone to let the season finish out and then evaluate what decisions need to be made going forward. 
 

[Insideradvantage]

7 minutes ago, Bulldogs4 said:

Things do look bleak but back in 2013, Mullen was on the verge of being fired before State beat Arkansas and Ole Miss and then won the Liberty Bowl. Not saying this year’s team will do that but it is a bit disappointing to me that everyone has already jumped off a cliff with three games to play in the season. That is still 25% of the season left. 
It would at least behoove everyone to let the season finish out and then evaluate what decisions need to be made going forward. 
 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when Bo Wallace fumbled in the end zone, Dun Mullen was resurrected at State because he had one foot out the door and the other was in the air.  

[Dawg83]

6 hours ago, Bulldogs4 said:

Things do look bleak but back in 2013, Mullen was on the verge of being fired before State beat Arkansas and Ole Miss and then won the Liberty Bowl. Not saying this year’s team will do that but it is a bit disappointing to me that everyone has already jumped off a cliff with three games to play in the season. That is still 25% of the season left. 
It would at least behoove everyone to let the season finish out and then evaluate what decisions need to be made going forward. 
 

Big difference for me in the two situations.

 

2013 was a young State team in a bit of rebuilding year, and a lot of those guys from the ‘13 team would be the foundation for teams that won 19 games the next two years. They weren’t good yet but you felt like you had a future. Mullen had also proven he could win at State prior to that. I also never believed in 9 years he was ever close to getting fired. He had down years but always followed it up with a better season the next year. Also keep in context where your rival was at that time. Ole Miss was building things under Freeze but hadn’t really accomplished much at that point.

 

2023 State is not a young team, the coach is not proven at all, and there has been no real signs of hope all season. The only game you’ve kinda felt OK about was the season opener against a struggling FCS team. You have played three home SEC games and lost each of them by at least 3 touchdowns. There is going to be major offseason roster turnover no matter who the coach is. Your arch rival is about to win 10 games and likely play in a NY6 bowl for the second time in three years. You are getting absolutely crushed in recruiting right now. The conference expands to add Texas and Oklahoma next year. The program feels like it has no future under the current leadership.

 

I’m sorry, I just really believe this isn’t Mullen 2013, it feels a whole lot more like Croom 2008. You can make a move this offseason when the coaching market shouldn’t have a ton of competition or you can wait for the inevitable 3-9 or 4-8 next year and compete with lots of other comparable schools for table scraps. As fans we can hope Arnett turns it around, but there has literally been zero evidence that it’s coming. With Dan you did have something to work with at least.

 

I feel like those of us still hanging around here kinda know each other’s schticks pretty well, and I feel like I’m usually in the camp of being patient. I was hesitant about firing Joe Moorhead initially. I agreed with the decision to bring Chris Lemonis back. I simply do not think there is a path forward with Zach Arnett. 

[Dawg83]

6 hours ago, Insideradvantage said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, when Bo Wallace fumbled in the end zone, Dun Mullen was resurrected at State because he had one foot out the door and the other was in the air.  

It’s funny to me that some State fans are still mad about him leaving, that guy stayed so much longer than I ever expected.  No secret he was trying to get out for years. One year he was even linked with the Maryland job. I mean what??? I thought he was gone after 2010, then again in 2011, then I thought he’d leave after Dak graduated, then I thought “well if he’s still here after 2017 maybe he’s never leaving” and naturally that’s exactly when he left.

 

I never thought he’d get the Florida job, I really thought he was Penn State or Miami bound. And both had openings multiple times when he was at State.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Dawg83

[rebmus]

5 hours ago, Dawg83 said:

Big difference for me in the two situations.

 

2013 was a young State team in a bit of rebuilding year, and a lot of those guys from the ‘13 team would be the foundation for teams that won 19 games the next two years. They weren’t good yet but you felt like you had a future. Mullen had also proven he could win at State prior to that. I also never believed in 9 years he was ever close to getting fired. He had down years but always followed it up with a better season the next year. Also keep in context where your rival was at that time. Ole Miss was building things under Freeze but hadn’t really accomplished much at that point.

 

2023 State is not a young team, the coach is not proven at all, and there has been no real signs of hope all season. The only game you’ve kinda felt OK about was the season opener against a struggling FCS team. You have played three home SEC games and lost each of them by at least 3 touchdowns. There is going to be major offseason roster turnover no matter who the coach is. Your arch rival is about to win 10 games and likely play in a NY6 bowl for the second time in three years. You are getting absolutely crushed in recruiting right now. The conference expands to add Texas and Oklahoma next year. The program feels like it has no future under the current leadership.

 

I’m sorry, I just really believe this isn’t Mullen 2013, it feels a whole lot more like Croom 2008. You can make a move this offseason when the coaching market shouldn’t have a ton of competition or you can wait for the inevitable 3-9 or 4-8 next year and compete with lots of other comparable schools for table scraps. As fans we can hope Arnett turns it around, but there has literally been zero evidence that it’s coming. With Dan you did have something to work with at least.

 

I feel like those of us still hanging around here kinda know each other’s schticks pretty well, and I feel like I’m usually in the camp of being patient. I was hesitant about firing Joe Moorhead initially. I agreed with the decision to bring Chris Lemonis back. I simply do not think there is a path forward with Zach Arnett. 

I really don't think it's fair to compare this to Mullen 2013 OR Croom 2008. 

2008 was Croom's 5th year, the previous year was 8-5 with a bowl win while 2008 was 4-8. The writing was on the wall and it was time to move on from Croom. 

Mullen 2013 was also his 5th year, 4th straight bowl appearance with a 7-6 final record. 

 

Arnett is in year one and there's talk of being fired. I really don't see a comparison. 

[MSTSatchmo]

I don’t think it’s a comparison to any of those, which is also why I don’t see a problem with State moving on after one season.  State probably should have just named Arnett interim head coach for the next season, but I guess that could have lead to a few more defections.