CFB Week 10 Thread

[Bulldogs4]

My point was there are still three games left in the schedule (25% of the schedule) and I think we need to let the season finish out and then make evaluations and decisions going forward.

 

But from what I have seen and heard, it seems to be a foregone conclusion. I mentioned 2013 because of Mullen being in jeopardy that year. From the time State was 7-0 in 2012 until the Arkansas game in 2013, our record was 5-11. Let that sink in (people conveniently forget that). And yes he was in serious trouble. Fans criticized Tyler Russell continuously but we won the Arkansas game (on the road) because of him. And if not for the Arkansas game, the Ole Miss game that year would have been meaningless, other than for the usual bragging rights. 
 

As unlikely as it seems right now, what if State beats A&M or OM or both? What then?

The fans/alumni have already fired the coach. So what are they going to do then? Still fire him? 
 

The prudent thing to do is let the season finish out before convicting the coach of being a poor coach, motivator, game planner, recruiter etc.

 

If that ends up happening, then there will be plenty of time to get a new HC. And that will be our 5th (FIFTH) Head Coach in six years as Mullen left in Nov/Dec 2017. And in that case we will be looking at a serious rebuild that will not happen overnight or in a year or two or possibly longer. 

[coastfootballfanman]

In my opinion, it is much more about the perceived culture than wins and losses. It looks like Arnett has lost the team. It looks like recruits see it (just lost a commit from a 4 star receiver FROM Starkville). Could they go out and win vs A&M and Ole Miss? Sure! Odds are based on how this team is trending and playing, both games will be over relatively quick. Blowout losses to every SEC team with a winning record is a trend that says they will finish 5-7. Keep in my mind, State let Joe Moorhead go after a 6-6 season and bowl berth. It is a slippery slope about having 5 coaches in 6 seasons, but you cannot afford another awful season or a max exodus in the portal with players wanting to go elsewhere. 

[maroontide06]

1 hour ago, coastfootballfanman said:

In my opinion, it is much more about the perceived culture than wins and losses. It looks like Arnett has lost the team. It looks like recruits see it (just lost a commit from a 4 star receiver FROM Starkville). Could they go out and win vs A&M and Ole Miss? Sure! Odds are based on how this team is trending and playing, both games will be over relatively quick. Blowout losses to every SEC team with a winning record is a trend that says they will finish 5-7. Keep in my mind, State let Joe Moorhead go after a 6-6 season and bowl berth. It is a slippery slope about having 5 coaches in 6 seasons, but you cannot afford another awful season or a max exodus in the portal with players wanting to go elsewhere. 

I don't know if Selmon can or not, but if he could get Bob Stoops you would definitely be able to stabilize the ship and be able to inject talent into Mississippi State immediately.  If Selmon wants to make a name for himself and get a big name hire to Mississippi State, that's the type of coach he should work on getting in the boat.

[maroontide06]

Now if that were to come to fruition, yes we would have a Dizzy & Daffy Dean both coaching in the SEC at the same time, but who would have Dizzy and who would have Daffy?  I don't think that would be a difficult question to answer.

[BrickCity]

Would Gus Malzahn be a bad hire? I could see his system fitting the players we currently have 

[Dawg83]

1 hour ago, coastfootballfanman said:

In my opinion, it is much more about the perceived culture than wins and losses. It looks like Arnett has lost the team. It looks like recruits see it (just lost a commit from a 4 star receiver FROM Starkville). Could they go out and win vs A&M and Ole Miss? Sure! Odds are based on how this team is trending and playing, both games will be over relatively quick. Blowout losses to every SEC team with a winning record is a trend that says they will finish 5-7. Keep in my mind, State let Joe Moorhead go after a 6-6 season and bowl berth. It is a slippery slope about having 5 coaches in 6 seasons, but you cannot afford another awful season or a max exodus in the portal with players wanting to go elsewhere. 

This is a good take on it. It’s also why you can’t necessarily make a certain W/L record your only benchmark.

 

Let’s say he does upset A&M or Ole Miss somehow. Is it all magically fixed at 6-6? Not in my opinion. Not with the current State of the SEC. State has a 1-5 SEC record and only two of those games were against ranked teams.

 

The knock on Mullen was he couldn’t beat ranked teams. The SEC was loaded for most of the 2010’s. Arnett is getting blown out by unranked teams and struggling in a weaker SEC.

[MSTSatchmo]

Five coaches in six years is a little misleading too.   One was actually in Starkville for 10 years and another passed away, so you’re really only looking at two short stints.  

It’s funny that MaroonTide mentioned Stoops.  I was at a meeting last night and someone from Starkville mentioned that Stoops name was starting to get tossed around a good bit, probably based on his connection to Selmon. 

[Bulldogs4]

And Stoops being hired would be similar to the Howland hire in basketball.

I am not saying that change does not necessarily need to not happen. But this rush to hire a new coach can wait until the end of the season. If the program is already a train wreck, then a few weeks or even a month are not going to matter much in the long run.

 

Alabama waited about 6 weeks to hire Saban from MIA. Turned out pretty well for them. 

[Unionman76]

saban was after several bad hires over 10 years

[maroontide06]

2 hours ago, Bulldogs4 said:

And Stoops being hired would be similar to the Howland hire in basketball.

I am not saying that change does not necessarily need to not happen. But this rush to hire a new coach can wait until the end of the season. If the program is already a train wreck, then a few weeks or even a month are not going to matter much in the long run.

 

Alabama waited about 6 weeks to hire Saban from MIA. Turned out pretty well for them. 

If Marcus Boyles was lethargic and waited a few weeks or a month to start winning games, do you think he would have the impact that he's having right now at Meridian, or do you think it would be just another meh hire?

[Bulldogs4]

You are looking at apples and oranges there.

Coach Boyles inherited an odd situation in Meridian. Yes there is one great player on the squad this year but he has maximized the potential of what he has but we are still only 5-6. So if you look at the record only, he has not done a good job. But if you have the ability to look at something contextually, he has done an excellent job at Meridian. 
 

Comparing that situation to State is not even in the same stratosphere. Effectively speaking State’s record (4-5) is the same as Meridian (5-6) but that is the only thing similar. 
 

All I said is waiting to actually hire a new coach after the season , whether it is immediate or several weeks in the making is immaterial. Meridian did not hire Coach Boyles until January, two months after the regular season was over. 
 

I agree that the perception of the program is about a minus 3 on a scale of 1-10. The only way to change that is to win games. And we know perception trumps reality in the present day. 
 

 

 

[Dawg83]

Bob Stoops ain’t coming, any State fans hoping for that are going to be disappointed.

[MSTSatchmo]

5 hours ago, Bulldogs4 said:

And Stoops being hired would be similar to the Howland hire in basketball.

I am not saying that change does not necessarily need to not happen. But this rush to hire a new coach can wait until the end of the season. If the program is already a train wreck, then a few weeks or even a month are not going to matter much in the long run.

 

Alabama waited about 6 weeks to hire Saban from MIA. Turned out pretty well for them. 

There won’t be a hire until after the season is over.  This is all just college football fans talking about the latest rumors.  
 

As for Bama hiring Saban, this is a completely different time with the portal and early signing period.   When a change is made, it has to be quick unless you’re an established program.   Those quick changes are also going to lead to bad choices in some instances.  AD’s are under the gun almost as much as coaches these days. 

[maroontide06]

57 minutes ago, Dawg83 said:

Bob Stoops ain’t coming, any State fans hoping for that are going to be disappointed.

He may not be, but if Zac Selmon didn’t gauge an interest there then wouldn’t that leave a page unturned?

[Dawg83]

3 hours ago, maroontide06 said:

He may not be, but if Zac Selmon didn’t gauge an interest there then wouldn’t that leave a page unturned?

I mean sure give him a call but I think that call would last about 10 seconds.