Are players allowed to follow coaches who move from school to local school?

[Greyhounddad1068]

7 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

The irony of Ocean Springs fans being upset that Pennock is recruiting their kids away from there when they literally have been doing the same thing over the past 3 years is comical to me. 

 

As I said before, I can not speak to the last years, I was not involved nor was my son.  I can this year and I think it is comical that everyone consistently blames it on the school and not the common theme between everything.

Edited March 9, 2023 by Greyhounddad1068

[Guntriple]

I’m pretty sure this rule was enforced several years back when some kids left Oxford and went to Lafayette. Will be interesting to see how the MHSAA handles it.

[slicklizard]

I'm not talking about taking it personal. I'm talking about having rules enforced to ensure everyone is on the same platform competition wise.

It wasn't a coincidence that Polarville went to another level and Petal disappeared back in to abyss after MHSAA slapped their hand . They got tired of it in Poplarville.. 

[RUNNINGMAN67]

I mean the rule is pretty cut and dry here. That kid is ineligible to play there next year. Whatever adults led him or his parents to believe that was a good decision did him a disservice. 

[s1nglewing]

5 hours ago, Greyhounddad1068 said:

 

As I said before, I can not speak to the last years, I was not involved nor was my son.  I can this year and I think it is comical that everyone consistently blames it on the school and not the common theme between everything.

If the school's administration allows it, it's the school.

[Matt]

I've heard circumstances are different when it's a Head Coach that leaves as in a player can't transfer that same year but I don't see how anyone can tell a family they can't move to a school district if that's what they feel is best for their own kid. i'm assuming they will have to provide a proof of address but whatever.  I  like the idea of adding more fuel to the fire! Especially when a player is a transfer player anyway and has no real loyalty to the school. I remember the days of kids growing up in their own town and dreaming of playing for their own High School. PRIDE in wearing the uniform of the town they grew up in but times change!  I also remember a kid from d'ville transferring years ago and it was the best thing that happened for him and d'ville......Kid went on to college because he played in an offense he wouldn't have played in had he stayed and  d'ville beat him all three years of High School. It all works out in the end.  I've never wanted a player or coach to be on my sideline who didn't want to be there!

Next man up!

[David]

32 minutes ago, Matt said:

I've heard circumstances are different when it's a Head Coach that leaves as in a player can't transfer that same year but I don't see how anyone can tell a family they can't move to a school district if that's what they feel is best for their own kid. i'm assuming they will have to provide a proof of address but whatever.  I  like the idea of adding more fuel to the fire! Especially when a player is a transfer player anyway and has no real loyalty to the school. I remember the days of kids growing up in their own town and dreaming of playing for their own High School. PRIDE in wearing the uniform of the town they grew up in but times change!  I also remember a kid from d'ville transferring years ago and it was the best thing that happened for him and d'ville......Kid went on to college because he played in an offense he wouldn't have played in had he stayed and  d'ville beat him all three years of High School. It all works out in the end.  I've never wanted a player or coach to be on my sideline who didn't want to be there!

Next man up!

As I said at the beginning, I’m more interested in what the coaches in this hypothetical situation are doing. Nobody has suggested that the family cannot move to whatever neighborhood they feel good with. If the player feels better in that place, he’s always been able to do so. The rules only concern what happens when a coach leaves a district for a nearby district and attempts to bring the best players with him, especially when there are examples of active recruiting before even leaving the building, and open contact with the player and his family. The state association has in the past realized that this is an unhealthy situation, much more so than a player simply moving across city limit lines.  I realize that this could be construed as sour grapes, but also want to protect the coaching staff who has continued to train their players in good faith and with expectations of loyalty from their roster. 

[coastfootballfanman]

13 hours ago, David said:

Big difference with him recruiting both before and after walking out the door. Kids transfer all the time. But it’s against the rules for a coach to do what’s being done here. I’ve been aware of the transfer portal from Long Beach to Gulfport for years. That’s unfair, but legal. 

What he has been doing to get kids in there has been illegal from the jump, but because now he is taking from Ocean Springs, it is a dirty tactic. Coaches and community members on that staff have reached out to players all across the coast over the last 3 years to recruit them in. Sure, it looks like a legit move on paper, but we all know the reality. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, David. LOL 

[coastfootballfanman]

My daughter also told me kids on the team told her the player in question had been messaging coaches at other schools along the coast shopping himself around. So it sounds like he just enjoys the attention and spotlight on him. 

[BrickCity]

Just now, coastfootballfanman said:

My daughter also told me kids on the team told her the player in question had been messaging coaches at other schools along the coast shopping himself around. So it sounds like he just enjoys the attention and spotlight on him. 

Bingo! and thats where the root of this problem thrives. These kids are just chasing the attention

[David]

17 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

What he has been doing to get kids in there has been illegal from the jump, but because now he is taking from Ocean Springs, it is a dirty tactic. Coaches and community members on that staff have reached out to players all across the coast over the last 3 years to recruit them in. Sure, it looks like a legit move on paper, but we all know the reality. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, David. LOL 

I enjoy cake, and if I have it, why wouldn’t I eat it too? I don’t disagree with your opinion, only with the part about a coach actively recruiting players before and after leaving for a neighboring school district, including the defensive coordinator who has been setting up a recruiting office in the weight room for his new team. The state established a one year moratorium for good reason. Not enforcing the rules just sets it up to happen again. Any chance you want to name your own interests in this little coup. Sounds like you also enjoy cake and would like to eat some of mine. Thanks for the interaction. 

[coastfootballfanman]

1 minute ago, David said:

I enjoy cake, and if I have it, why wouldn’t I eat it too? I don’t disagree with your opinion, only with the part about a coach actively recruiting players before and after leaving for a neighboring school district, including the defensive coordinator who has been setting up a recruiting office in the weight room for his new team. The state established a one year moratorium for good reason. Not enforcing the rules just sets it up to happen again. Any chance you want to name your own interests in this little coup. Sounds like you also enjoy cake and would like to eat some of mine. Thanks for the interaction. 

I agree, there is a rule in place and the MHSAA needs to enforce it. The issue I have had is that many OS residents are acting like Pennock and Gulfport are horrible for going after OS players, but they literally were okay Pennock recruiting 6 months ago because he was doing it for them. It is who he is. It is what he does. Also have never been fond of him as a person the times I have been around him. I do not have much interest in this. I am not a OS lifer like you are so my perspective is vastly different I suppose. 

[Vott]

10 hours ago, slicklizard said:

I'm not talking about taking it personal. I'm talking about having rules enforced to ensure everyone is on the same platform competition wise.

It wasn't a coincidence that Polarville went to another level and Petal disappeared back in to abyss after MHSAA slapped their hand . They got tired of it in Poplarville.. 

I knew Poplarville kids were going to petal, but has no clue the MHSAA stepped in to stop it

[Wildcats1980]

This is called Hilarious. Everyone on the coast OS has been recruiting for years.  It was going on before Pennock and it will continue to go on because the Misshsaa wont do anything about it.  Heck it was even a running joke at the ALL-STATE selection meeting.  Pennock walked in the meeting and a coach asked him how his recruiting class was going.  The look on  a red faced Pennock was priceless.

[David]

50 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

I agree, there is a rule in place and the MHSAA needs to enforce it. The issue I have had is that many OS residents are acting like Pennock and Gulfport are horrible for going after OS players, but they literally were okay Pennock recruiting 6 months ago because he was doing it for them. It is who he is. It is what he does. Also have never been fond of him as a person the times I have been around him. I do not have much interest in this. I am not a OS lifer like you are so my perspective is vastly different I suppose. 

That’s fair. As much as I personally don’t care for allowing players to transfer, it’s not against the rules. This has crossed some lines, both morally and as far as the state rules are concerned. I don’t know what should be done about it, if anything. Maybe just a little calling out publicly to make me and the rest of my fellow Hounds feel better. At some point I’ll drop it and let it play out. I’m not proud of being the “Karen” in this situation. 

[coastfootballfanman]

4 minutes ago, David said:

That’s fair. As much as I personally don’t care for allowing players to transfer, it’s not against the rules. This has crossed some lines, both morally and as far as the state rules are concerned. I don’t know what should be done about it, if anything. Maybe just a little calling out publicly to make me and the rest of my fellow Hounds feel better. At some point I’ll drop it and let it play out. I’m not proud of being the “Karen” in this situation. 

I understand the frustration. The MHSAA should step in. This kid has been to 3 schools in 3 years. 2 of which he has transferred to the school Pennock was at. That is a huge red FLAG. However, unless coaches or admin pursue it, I do not see the MHSAA doing anything and if they do, you risk hurting the kid which might not be fair to him. He is a young kid being influenced by his HC and DC that he has build some level of trust and relationship with. Turning it in means he has to return to OS or Harrison Central and after his stunt he pulled with announcing his departure like a college player in the transfer portal, I cannot imagine the players and coaches at OS really wanting him back. 

[RMcCormick66]

Dang, if the MHSAA lets that slide that would be an embarrassment. A coach directly breaking the rules. Someone showed me this morning where they kid posted a commitment style post on instagram about him transferring to Gulfport. I would also think this would be a turn off to college coaches recruiting the kid. 

[Wildcats1980]

OS administration is the only one that can file a formal complaint. But we all know they are not gonna do that because how do you think he got to OS in the first place.

[TheAnswer]

[David]

8 minutes ago, Wildcats1980 said:

OS administration is the only one that can file a formal complaint. But we all know they are not gonna do that because how do you think he got to OS in the first place.

Again, a different set of rules. No players came to O.S. on his heels, which would have been against the rules. In fact, I believe that one of the factors in this recent reaching out to the coach in the first place was the opportunity for him to bring some players with him. I’m not naming names, obviously, but there are people associated with the program who saw this coming as far back as a year ago, and it continues as we speak. Players transferring is one thing. Taking the best players when hired away opens up a whole new can of rule breaking. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by David

[RUNNINGMAN67]

Bramlett is the administration as the AD right? It will be interesting to see if he fights it or not. It will also be interesting to see if other players follow suit. 

[Wildcats1980]

6 minutes ago, David said:

Again, a different set of rules. No players came to O.S. on his heels, which would have been against the rules. In fact, I believe that one of the factors in this recent reaching out to the coach in the first place was the opportunity for him to bring some players with him. I’m not naming names, obviously, but there are people associated with the program who saw this coming as far back as a year ago, and it continues as we speak. Players transferring is one thing. Taking the best players when hired away opens up a whole new can of rule breaking. 

I say just open it up like they do in Florida. A kid can go to any school they want as long as they provide their on transportation

 

1 minute ago, RUNNINGMAN67 said:

Bramlett is the administration as the AD right? It will be interesting to see if he fights it or not. It will also be interesting to see if other players follow suit. 

I am pretty sure it has to come from the principal.

[Wildcats1980]

8 minutes ago, David said:

Again, a different set of rules. No players came to O.S. on his heels, which would have been against the rules. In fact, I believe that one of the factors in this recent reaching out to the coach in the first place was the opportunity for him to bring some players with him. I’m not naming names, obviously, but there are people associated with the program who saw this coming as far back as a year ago, and it continues as we speak. Players transferring is one thing. Taking the best players when hired away opens up a whole new can of rule breaking. 

I say open it all up. A kid can play wherever they want. Granted that they provide their own transportation. Kind of like they do in Florida.  We got this kids ready for the next level. Lol.  HS portal lol.

[RMcCormick66]

Just now, Wildcats1980 said:

I say open it all up. A kid can play wherever they want. Granted that they provide their own transportation. Kind of like they do in Florida.  We got this kids ready for the next level. Lol.  HS portal lol.

That would be miserable for coaches. Couldn't be too demanding of the player cause they may just up and leave. Would be just like the crap in college. 

[Dubaction]

2 hours ago, David said:

As I said at the beginning, I’m more interested in what the coaches in this hypothetical situation are doing. Nobody has suggested that the family cannot move to whatever neighborhood they feel good with. If the player feels better in that place, he’s always been able to do so. The rules only concern what happens when a coach leaves a district for a nearby district and attempts to bring the best players with him, especially when there are examples of active recruiting before even leaving the building, and open contact with the player and his family. The state association has in the past realized that this is an unhealthy situation, much more so than a player simply moving across city limit lines.  I realize that this could be construed as sour grapes, but also want to protect the coaching staff who has continued to train their players in good faith and with expectations of loyalty from their roster. 

Loyalty? Man this is high school football. That kid probably hasn’t even been at YOUR school for a full year. Sounds like he’s more loyal to the coach than he is whatever school he decides to attend. Again a lot of this sounds silly when kids move in and out of schools every year and you have benefited from it in similar fashion.