Game Breaker Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Has anyone seen any numbers yet concerning the reclassification of schools coming up really soon? I have heard a few numbers, is it posted somewhere yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastfootballfanman Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Game Breaker said: Has anyone seen any numbers yet concerning the reclassification of schools coming up really soon? I have heard a few numbers, is it posted somewhere yet? I was told it will be roughly two weeks before anything official is released from MHSAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Director said Numbers and Regions will be out 1st week of November. They are not posted on MDE website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky6617 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I can’t believe we still don’t at least know who is in what class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Darkness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 All this info used to come out the Friday morning of the football state championships. Be happy that its being released in early November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunky6617 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Prince of Darkness said: All this info used to come out the Friday morning of the football state championships. Be happy that its being released in early November The regions always came out then, but the classes were known sooner. Who was in what class was known right after the numbers were turned in. Who was in each region or district was released at championship time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Keep the pressure up maybe the classes will be released. Obviously different leadership now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Darkness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Rebel Bert said: Keep the pressure up maybe the classes will be released. Obviously different leadership now. I can promise you that the MHSAA doesn't give 2 cents about "pressure" by fans on a message board. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccbulldog Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I still think it's ridiculous to go to 7 classes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 2 hours ago, ccbulldog said: I still think it's ridiculous to go to 7 classes. 8 team regions no matter how many classes. Makes easy to schedule 3 non region games vs going out of state or vs MAIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana6 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 5 hours ago, ccbulldog said: I still think it's ridiculous to go to 7 classes. why you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSSportsGuy Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Montana6 said: why you say that? I can only speak for me and my frequent but not impactful posts that 7 classes is silly for a state with a shrinking number of public schools and overall school enrollment. It just spreads out teams/districts even more. For the record I was also against going to 6 classes but that too didn't matter in the big picture. The MHSAA could do things to reduce the "gap" they claim to be concerned about without adding another round of playoffs and championships that will ultimately just bring in more money. 5 classes is plenty for a state this size considering how many smaller schools have disappeared and how consolidation will not stop, while there will likely not be any new high schools built due to overcrowding in an existing school anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigersFan Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 17 hours ago, Rebel Bert said: Keep the pressure up maybe the classes will be released. Obviously different leadership now. Leadership is a word I would use loosely! Sounds like they are going back towards more of their old ways of controlling everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Will MSD participate in 1A region or go all independent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arashatora Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, MSSportsGuy said: I can only speak for me and my frequent but not impactful posts that 7 classes is silly for a state with a shrinking number of public schools and overall school enrollment. It just spreads out teams/districts even more. For the record I was also against going to 6 classes but that too didn't matter in the big picture. The MHSAA could do things to reduce the "gap" they claim to be concerned about without adding another round of playoffs and championships that will ultimately just bring in more money. 5 classes is plenty for a state this size considering how many smaller schools have disappeared and how consolidation will not stop, while there will likely not be any new high schools built due to overcrowding in an existing school anytime soon. In theory more classes = better competition overall. This theory doesn't seem to work very well in practice, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Rebel Bert said: Will MSD participate in 1A region or go all independent? MSD has played 8-man since they re-established the team in 2000. Don't expect to see that changing anytime soon since their enrollment is so miniscule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSSportsGuy Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 47 minutes ago, Arashatora said: In theory more classes = better competition overall. This theory doesn't seem to work very well in practice, however. I tend to disagree. More classes means fewer teams in a class, which could lead to less competition. Five team regions, four making the playoffs, meaning some rather weak squads make it and raises the possibility of blow out games in those playoff match ups. Eight team regions giving teams more of a full schedule, with four making the playoffs would be more likely to make the regular season more important and meaningful. Going to 7 classes to appease a small number of coaches has something in common as not permitting Cathedral, St. Al, and St. Joe in Greenville to allow athletes who are in school there but live in Louisiana or Arkansas: a reactive and short sighted decision. I always say though my kids are out of high school and the coaches and administrators can vote on whatever they wish. I just think it's not seeing the forest for the trees type thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, MSSportsGuy said: I tend to disagree. More classes means fewer teams in a class, which could lead to less competition. Five team regions, four making the playoffs, meaning some rather weak squads make it and raises the possibility of blow out games in those playoff match ups. Eight team regions giving teams more of a full schedule, with four making the playoffs would be more likely to make the regular season more important and meaningful. Going to 7 classes to appease a small number of coaches has something in common as not permitting Cathedral, St. Al, and St. Joe in Greenville to allow athletes who are in school there but live in Louisiana or Arkansas: a reactive and short sighted decision. I always say though my kids are out of high school and the coaches and administrators can vote on whatever they wish. I just think it's not seeing the forest for the trees type thinking. That being said how many public schools along the river or border actually have students crossing the Stateline to attend. Let's say for example a student that lives in Alabama but maybe has a Waynesboro, Quitman, DeKalb, Columbus address etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSSportsGuy Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, Rebel Bert said: That being said how many public schools along the river or border actually have students crossing the Stateline to attend. Let's say for example a student that lives in Alabama but maybe has a Waynesboro, Quitman, DeKalb, Columbus address etc. I'm sure it happens just like it happens in many states. It just seemed to me a few coaches were upset when those previously mentioned parochial schools had a couple of years of success with students who lived in other states but had always attended school there and got the association to go along with their request to not permit them to compete, which is why I claim it's short sighted and reactive. Seven classes appears to me to be the same thing. I'm old enough to remember when 5A (then the largest) had trouble getting a full schedule because smaller schools wouldn't play them because of the size differential and that's what prompted the decision to make 5A have 32 members with 8 team regions. That way a school had 7 required games and had to find 3/4 opponents rather than 6 or 7. Now we are going back to spreading the teams out further and making smaller regions, but maybe the scheduling problems are no longer an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 The January/Last Year's Numbers 7A 24 schools, at least 1 school moves from the coast 6A 24 schools, 5A 24 schools, Wayne County most likely to the coast, Natchez and North Pike sitting by themselves and will travel. 4A 40 schools, 3A 40 schools, 39 football (OLA) 2A 40 schools, 38 football (MSMS), St Joseph and why a private school was posted here is ? 1A 53 schools 40 football, 12 non football, 1 MSD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Bert Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, MSSportsGuy said: I'm sure it happens just like it happens in many states. It just seemed to me a few coaches were upset when those previously mentioned parochial schools had a couple of years of success with students who lived in other states but had always attended school there and got the association to go along with their request to not permit them to compete, which is why I claim it's short sighted and reactive. Seven classes appears to me to be the same thing. I'm old enough to remember when 5A (then the largest) had trouble getting a full schedule because smaller schools wouldn't play them because of the size differential and that's what prompted the decision to make 5A have 32 members with 8 team regions. That way a school had 7 required games and had to find 3/4 opponents rather than 6 or 7. Now we are going back to spreading the teams out further and making smaller regions, but maybe the scheduling problems are no longer an issue. I think some coaches will schedule up and others down and maybe out of state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 I’m opposed to reclassifying, mainly for competitive reasons. In 7A, districts will move to 6 teams each, which means that teams will play 5district games instead of the current 7. That leaves 5 out of district games to fill, and those who want easy wins will only play down to pas their records. I say the state should require 7A teams to play at least two 7A teams early in the year, possibly on a rotation in games that count on the district record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenandgoldhawk Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 What is the gap between school enrollment number among the largest and smallest school in each classification currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSSportsGuy Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, greenandgoldhawk said: What is the gap between school enrollment number among the largest and smallest school in each classification currently? Per the last official report from 2020, 6A: Tupelo was 1907 and the smallest 6A was Center Hill at 1047. 5A: West Harrison 1045 to Laurel and Vancleave each with 709 4A: Stone 686 to Quitman 461 3A: Amory 450 to Perry Central 276 2A: Coahoma County 274 to Baldwyn and Pine Grove at 190 There are currently 32 each in 6A and 5A for 64 schools. My suggestion to reduce the gap that is claimed to be the rationale for adding 7A is to cut the number of 6A to 24, then the number of 5A to 24, then spread the others out. That's 16 more schools pushed down, which would increase the remaining classes by 4 schools each. That's not even one additional school per district. Also, as an aside, Tennessee released their numbers today. They go 6A in football, 4A in others. Looking at 6A, Collierville is the largest at 2,827 and the smallest 6A is Clarksville with 1,555. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arashatora Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 So Tupelo is essentially a 5a school larger than center hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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