The total destruction of class 5A by MHSAA

[slicklizard]

West Point vs One play Gautier 

Grenada vs Hattiesburg 

 

The real game should be West Point vs Hattiesburg.

 

Instead of flexing muscle and running through this weak field Wayne County fell down to the level of the other sad sacks.Same with Laurel.   We used to be in the region with West Jones, Brookhaven,  Picayune and Hattiesburg.  They destroyed these must see games and road trips with this expansion of classes. Now we play Morton and Sand Fly Alabama instead.Even the title games in 6A and 5A are unattractive and competitive mismatches.

 

Was there ever a reason given for them doing this ?

Could anything different have been done?

Couldn’t be that much more money involved with the addition of one more title game.

It looks like some people were trying to justifying their position by doing something. “Look what we did boss “. 

[Vott]

5 minutes ago, slicklizard said:

West Point vs One play Gautier 

Grenada vs Hattiesburg 

 

The real game should be West Point vs Hattiesburg.

 

Instead of flexing muscle and running through this weak field Wayne County fell down to the level of the other sad sacks.Same with Laurel.   We used to be in the region with West Jones, Brookhaven,  Picayune and Hattiesburg.  They destroyed these must see games and road trips with this expansion of classes. Now we play Morton and Sand Fly Alabama instead.Even the title games in 6A and 5A are unattractive and competitive mismatches.

 

Was there ever a reason given for them doing this ?

Could anything different have been done?

Couldn’t be that much more money involved with the addition of one more title game.

It looks like some people were trying to justifying their position by doing something. “Look what we did boss “. 

I see west point winning north 5a forever. 5a south is way more balanced. What was thought as gonna be a brutal 5a south, especially region 4 turned out to be the complete opposite.

[Dubaction]

Yea I wanna go ahead and say congrats to WP on the next 10 years of state titles. The real teams the south has to offer right now within their realm are all in 6A. 

[GTownDanger06]

West Point wouldn’t beat Grenada. Sorry Slick I know that sounds logical but Grenada would win that game 9 out of 10 times. I’ve seen both teams play. Grenada would win that game. All we have to go by would be common opponents. (Neshoba vs WP 21-7, Clarksdale vs WP 21-0 both were 4 qtr games/Neshoba vs Grenada 31-7 and should have been worse, Clarksdale vs Grenada 28-0 in a half during the Jamboree) 

 

Grenada would beat WP sorry Slick take that complaint down the road

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[maroontide06]

22 minutes ago, Dubaction said:

Yea I wanna go ahead and say congrats to WP on the next 10 years of state titles. The real teams the south has to offer right now within their realm are all in 6A. 

Now here's the real question.  Would West Point ever move up or down in classification?  If not, then yes they'll won't have to worry about losing a 5A title for a very, very long time.

[slicklizard]

12 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

West Point wouldn’t beat Grenada. Sorry Slick I know that sounds logical but Grenada would win that game 9 out of 10 times. I’ve seen both teams play. Grenada would win that game. All we have to go by would be common opponents. (Neshoba vs WP 21-7, Clarksdale vs WP 21-0 both were 4 qtr games/Neshoba vs Grenada 31-7 and should have been worse, Clarksdale vs Grenada 28-0 in a half during the Jamboree) 

 

Grenada would beat WP sorry Slick take that complaint down the road

 

 

This isn’t some ish talking thread. I’m asking a legit question. What reason was ever given to go to seven classes?
You are in two threads I started taking offense about people not taking Grenada serious. How about this start your own threads and see how many people participate in them . Your discussion seems better suited for Facebook. Go there.

 

Win something  and quit saying “We gon “  sure but you  haven’t. You got skull drug last season. This one will be worse.

[coastfootballfanman]

1 hour ago, slicklizard said:

West Point vs One play Gautier 

Grenada vs Hattiesburg 

 

The real game should be West Point vs Hattiesburg.

 

Instead of flexing muscle and running through this weak field Wayne County fell down to the level of the other sad sacks.Same with Laurel.   We used to be in the region with West Jones, Brookhaven,  Picayune and Hattiesburg.  They destroyed these must see games and road trips with this expansion of classes. Now we play Morton and Sand Fly Alabama instead.Even the title games in 6A and 5A are unattractive and competitive mismatches.

 

Was there ever a reason given for them doing this ?

Could anything different have been done?

Couldn’t be that much more money involved with the addition of one more title game.

It looks like some people were trying to justifying their position by doing something. “Look what we did boss “. 

Adding an extra class created an additional 15 playoff games for the state to make money. Just in football. More playoff games = more money. It was done to serve 2 purposes. 1. Bring in more money. 2. Appease the old 6A teams who were crying about the enrollment disparity between the top and bottom of 6A. Slick, it seems times are very changing and society is gearing toward making everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside. LOL

[GTownDanger06]

17 minutes ago, slicklizard said:

 

 

This isn’t some ish talking thread. I’m asking a legit question. What reason was ever given to go to seven classes?
You are in two threads I started taking offense about people not taking Grenada serious. How about this start your own threads and see how many people participate in them . Your discussion seems better suited for Facebook. Go there.

 

Win something  and quit saying “We gon “  sure but you  haven’t. You got skull drug last season. This one will be worse.

You threw it out there that West Point vs Hattiesburg is the “real” matchup. Then get your feelings hurt when someone doesn’t agree with that. 
 

My opinion on why 7 classifications helps in some cases (mainly larger classes) is because if there were still 6 classifications a school like Grenada that has 783 students would be in division with Tupelo that has 1542 students there closest enrollment competition would be Starkville with 1074 students. 

[slicklizard]

37 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

Adding an extra class created an additional 15 playoff games for the state to make money. Just in football. More playoff games = more money. It was done to serve 2 purposes. 1. Bring in more money. 2. Appease the old 6A teams who were crying about the enrollment disparity between the top and bottom of 6A. Slick, it seems times are very changing and society is gearing toward making everyone feel all warm and fuzzy inside. LOL

I’ve heard that that reason before. If that is the real reason I would like to see the numbers from it. I bet if you put pen to paper it was close to when it was six classes . I noticed last season. A lot of teams had freaking losing records and only had to win a couple games to get in. Those teams don’t draw enough people to cover, lights,staff, ref crews plus liability for all that . Not even for the home teams. Especially the first round.

I haven’t dug into but I never heard anything coming out of the meeting this present year.

 

25 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

You threw it out there that West Point vs Hattiesburg is the “real” matchup. Then get your feelings hurt when someone doesn’t agree with that. 
 

My opinion on why 7 classifications helps in some cases (mainly larger classes) is because if there were still 6 classifications a school like Grenada that has 783 students would be in division with Tupelo that has 1542 students there closest enrollment competition would be Starkville with 1074 students. 

 

You got me wrong .  My feelings weren’t hurt.  I left out Grenada to try and drive home the point. I guess I could have put the real championship game should have been Gautier vs Grenada but I wouldn’t want to wat that either. . Plus you didn’t put any reason why they changed the number of classifications. It looked like that you didn’t see Grenada in the mix and you immediately reacted. 
I don’t need convincing one way or the I think what I think based on what  I’ve seen. I watched a couple of y’all’s games on YouTube and this season doesn’t really look much different than last year.    What do you mean with those numbers because I legit don’t follow. What was Grenada two seasons ago ? thought they were in old 5A. Starkville and Tupelo were in old 6A you saying same division as them is why I’m puzzled on it

[wpgreenwave51]

2 hours ago, GTownDanger06 said:

West Point wouldn’t beat Grenada. Sorry Slick I know that sounds logical but Grenada would win that game 9 out of 10 times. I’ve seen both teams play. Grenada would win that game. All we have to go by would be common opponents. (Neshoba vs WP 21-7, Clarksdale vs WP 21-0 both were 4 qtr games/Neshoba vs Grenada 31-7 and should have been worse, Clarksdale vs Grenada 28-0 in a half during the Jamboree) 

 

Grenada would beat WP sorry Slick take that complaint down the road

 

The one thing you get confused about tho is that West Point owns Grenada and y'all HC left Lafayette to get away from West Point 

 

Remember y'all beating us in the regular season winning the district only to lose in the 2nd rd of the playoffs?

[Wareaglefan1us]

They should count the male and female students separately then classify them. 

[GTownDanger06]

20 minutes ago, slicklizard said:

I’ve heard that that reason before. If that is the real reason I would like to see the numbers from it. I bet if you put pen to paper it was close to when it was six classes . I noticed last season. A lot of teams had freaking losing records and only had to win a couple games to get in. Those teams don’t draw enough people to cover, lights,staff, ref crews plus liability for all that . Not even for the home teams. Especially the first round.

I haven’t dug into but I never heard anything coming out of the meeting this present year.

 

 

You got me wrong .  My feelings weren’t hurt.  I left out Grenada to try and drive home the point. I guess I could have put the real championship game should have been Gautier vs Grenada but I wouldn’t want to wat that either. . Plus you didn’t put any reason why they changed the number of classifications. It looked like that you didn’t see Grenada in the mix and you immediately reacted. 
I don’t need convincing one way or the I think what I think based on what  I’ve seen. I watched a couple of y’all’s games on YouTube and this season doesn’t really look much different than last year.    What do you mean with those numbers because I legit don’t follow. What was Grenada two seasons ago ? thought they were in old 5A. Starkville and Tupelo were in old 6A you saying same division as them is why I’m puzzled on it

If there were 6 classes Grenada would be where they traditionally have been in division with Madison, Tupelo, Clinton, Starkville, etc. and are a competitive first round maybe second round team but nothing more. Grenada has roughly 290 students less than the next closest team based on enrollment which would be Starkville. Grenada struggles to compete in that division but still managed to make playoffs most years. Asking them to compete year after year there would be the same as throwing Poplarville in the current 6A class and expecting them to compete. 

[GTownDanger06]

5 minutes ago, wpgreenwave51 said:

 

The one thing you get confused about tho is that West Point owns Grenada and y'all HC left Lafayette to get away from West Point 

 

Remember y'all beating us in the regular season winning the district only to lose in the 2nd rd of the playoffs?

Nothing to argue about there. Yall have dominated us traditionally (Grenada has a 14-21 all time record vs WP). Even in 2002 when we dropped to 4A yall beat us 10-3 at Grenada in North Half. I think we can both agree that this years West Point team is down compared to some of those teams you’re talking about that beat our HC when at Lafayette. We can also agree that our HC didn’t have the talent at Lafayette County that he has at Grenada either. I would love to see WP vs Grenada every year. It would be a slug fest. 

[Rebel Bert]

3 hours ago, slicklizard said:

 

 

This isn’t some ish talking thread. I’m asking a legit question. What reason was ever given to go to seven classes?
You are in two threads I started taking offense about people not taking Grenada serious. How about this start your own threads and see how many people participate in them . Your discussion seems better suited for Facebook. Go there.

 

Win something  and quit saying “We gon “  sure but you  haven’t. You got skull drug last season. This one will be worse.

The number difference between the largest 6A and smallest 6A at the time was the reasoning. Now they have created schools unable to complete a 10 game schedule without driving 3 hrs on a we need you to play Thursday night. No refs.

[wpgreenwave51]

1 hour ago, GTownDanger06 said:

Nothing to argue about there. Yall have dominated us traditionally (Grenada has a 14-21 all time record vs WP). Even in 2002 when we dropped to 4A yall beat us 10-3 at Grenada in North Half. I think we can both agree that this years West Point team is down compared to some of those teams you’re talking about that beat our HC when at Lafayette. We can also agree that our HC didn’t have the talent at Lafayette County that he has at Grenada either. I would love to see WP vs Grenada every year. It would be a slug fest. 

 

 

He had talent there are blew a 12 point lead in the 4th. Instead of staying on the gas he got conservative and we continued to play our ball.

 

West Point is in his head. 

[GTownDanger06]

2 minutes ago, wpgreenwave51 said:

 

 

He had talent there are blew a 12 point lead in the 4th. Instead of staying on the gas he got conservative and we continued to play our ball.

 

West Point is in his head. 

West Point is in everyone’s head. Didn’t Holmes County blow a 21 pt lead last week? Haha. I know Michael Fair has done a great job at Grenada and he has been great with our program. We couldn’t get past the 2nd round for years and now we’re in the ship in back to back season with less talent than we had in any of the previous 5-10 years.

[wpgreenwave51]

1 hour ago, GTownDanger06 said:

West Point is in everyone’s head. Didn’t Holmes County blow a 21 pt lead last week? Haha. I know Michael Fair has done a great job at Grenada and he has been great with our program. We couldn’t get past the 2nd round for years and now we’re in the ship in back to back season with less talent than we had in any of the previous 5-10 years.

 

 

Yeah he's doing a great job. I'm kinda like @slicklizardon if things would be the same in 6 classifications. We'll never kno tho. Good luck Saturday 

[GTownDanger06]

35 minutes ago, wpgreenwave51 said:

 

 

Yeah he's doing a great job. I'm kinda like @slicklizardon if things would be the same in 6 classifications. We'll never kno tho. Good luck Saturday 

I doubt Grenada would be where they are in 6 classifications because based on the cut line we would be in the higher class with Tupelo, Madison, Germantown, Starkville. It’s hard for us to compete as the smallest 6A. Although we beat Oxford, Clinton, Desoto Central those aren’t exactly powerhouses. Tupelo is on a whole different level. 

[Merlin]

3 hours ago, Wareaglefan1us said:

They should count the male and female students separately then classify them. 

LOL.  Northeast Jones snd West Jones would swap places.  WJ has more females than males.  Or at least it did in the last few years.  

[Merlin]

2 hours ago, GTownDanger06 said:

We couldn’t get past the 2nd round for years and now we’re in the ship in back to back season with less talent than we had in any of the previous 5-10 years.

Because 6A north is almost as big of a dumpster fire as 5A south, overall. 

[GTownDanger06]

3 minutes ago, Merlin said:

Because 6A north is almost as big of a dumpster fire as 5A south, overall. 

I guess 7A South is in that category as well considering their champ in Brandon almost got beat by our dumpster fire 6A North runner up in Warren Central and did get beat by a Clinton team that Grenada literally could have hung 70 on. 

[Wareaglefan1us]

1 hour ago, Merlin said:

LOL.  Northeast Jones snd West Jones would swap places.  WJ has more females than males.  Or at least it did in the last few years.  

All I meant if you were only basing classification on sports why not go Male and Female. I definitely believe going to seven classifications is a joke. But it’s done now and it will never go back. 

[lumberlayer]

7 hours ago, GTownDanger06 said:

Nothing to argue about there. Yall have dominated us traditionally (Grenada has a 14-21 all time record vs WP). Even in 2002 when we dropped to 4A yall beat us 10-3 at Grenada in North Half. I think we can both agree that this years West Point team is down compared to some of those teams you’re talking about that beat our HC when at Lafayette. We can also agree that our HC didn’t have the talent at Lafayette County that he has at Grenada either. I would love to see WP vs Grenada every year. It would be a slug fest. 

It’s funny that West Point is “down” this year and playing for the championship. I watched Cleveland Central put up a heck of a fight and then West Point got that ball with 6:27 to go and did what they do and that was the ballgame. You’re also correct, Holmes County had them beat, but at the end of the game couldn’t run the ball to get a first down, had a terrible punt, and WP drove it 30 yards to take the lead. 
 

Say what you will, but those guys know how to win over there. 

[slicklizard]

Whoever came up with five dam region games should have been laughed out of the room. A coach winning two or three region games and getting in the playoffs is just an excuse to keep loaf, lazy coaches around. Which may have been part of the thinking of doing it.

It's already proven to be poorly thought out 

[wpgreenwave51]

15 minutes ago, lumberlayer said:

It’s funny that West Point is “down” this year and playing for the championship. I watched Cleveland Central put up a heck of a fight and then West Point got that ball with 6:27 to go and did what they do and that was the ballgame. You’re also correct, Holmes County had them beat, but at the end of the game couldn’t run the ball to get a first down, had a terrible punt, and WP drove it 30 yards to take the lead. 
 

Say what you will, but those guys know how to win over there. 

 

Yep! And this defense is young. I think we have better running backs on the bench with one of them being a freshman but I like the current ones. Next year should be fun and year 2 under Morgan