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We’ll see what happens at the end of Oregon-USC here but so far this has bull one of the dullest days of college football I can ever recall.

I’m not sure they’ve got the offense fixed even now. But their defense is elite, probably the best in the SEC.

I don’t anyone has done more to improve public perception of himself this season than Venables.

If he doesn’t understand then somebody in his camp (Sexton or someone else) should probably be hammering the point home…. Unless he’s decided to leave and just wants to finish the season first, which is probably the Occam’s razor with all this. At this point I’m halfway expecting him to stage a “The Decision” type ceremony a la LeBron back in the day. Or like he goes on College Gameday next Saturday and does a signing day hat ceremony. It’s truly a circus at this stage anyway so why not. lol.

Definitely been a weird experience because this team was supposedly built on defense and they can’t defend. Inconsistent offense is nothing new with Jans teams and that probably will never change. The defensive regression the last two years is the biggest concern for me.

It’s a really fair question. And makes you wonder where he’d be without four Howland holdovers sticking around for multiple years and if Josh Hubbard had not gotten out of his Ole Miss NLI. I like Jans but he’s gotta get some things figured out with the portal.

If this has been a long con then Kiffin might just be a sociopath. i don’t think it’s been a long con. I think if he was for sure staying, enough damage has been done to where he would’ve signed yesterday.

State with 3 losses before Thanksgiving…. Not a good sign. I think it’s time to temper expectations for this team majorly. They may be this year’s Missouri or South Carolina, i.e. a team with a good coach that’s good one year then falls off majorly the next year…. Kinda feeling like this is the fall off year. Not saying it’s a permanent fall off for Jans… But I don’t see a tourney team with this roster and right now I’m not sure I see a .500 overall team.

And look, I still don’t think State is winning the Egg Bowl… But if you were to draw up a path for it happening, something like today is a big part of it. .. The Kiffin cloud continuing to linger. Distracted coaches in Egg Bowls do not exactly have the best track record. Ask Tommy Tuberville, Dan Mullen, and 2022 Lane Kiffin.

I don’t think you can totally rule out him staying because even though logic tells you he’s probably headed to LSU, this dude clearly does not operate like a normal, rational thinking human being. That said…. This is who this guy is at this point. And any attempts to convince you he was a changed man were just flat out wrong. If he stays at Ole Miss, he will put them through a similar saga again in a year or two. If he leaves for LSU, he’ll put them through it to when something like the Bama or Texas job opens up, or he’ll get an NFL itch at that point. I compared it to Mullen’s yearly flirtations while at State… But Mullen never insulted his fanbase’s intelligence to this degree.

World’s softest ultimatum just dropped, apparently…. Cannot believe that statement from Carter. It totally makes it seem like Kiffin is walking all over him right now.

I’m not to the point of turning on Jans but I do think it’s getting fair to question his talent acquisition via the portal and HS recruiting. He’s been carried by some guys he inherited from Howland (now all gone) and Josh Hubbard. There have not been a bunch of big hits in terms of newcomers over the years.

I do think Kansas State is a quality team, lot of scorers. But yeah, State’s definitely got issues. The game against New Mexico tomorrow night really feels like an early must win for the season, as much as you hate to say that this early. But they are in danger of free falling quickly with this schedule if they don’t get it figured out soon.

The Matt Zenitz story about Kiffin possibly wanting Orgeron on his hypotethical LSU staff definitely turned some heads tonight. We may know a lot more in the next 24-48 hours, one way or the other, based off speculation today. Regardless of how it goes, I think Kiffin has objectively handled it all poorly and Ole Miss fans are justified in however they feel about him, good or bad.

He may stay but I’m not sure I buy the chest being that big.

I think Oregon is out and USC is in if USC wins in Autzen on Saturday.

I really think it depends on the traffic around them. They’d really need chalk to hold in other leagues. For the record I think Bama should be ahead of Notre Dame right now and ND arguably shouldn’t even be in. ND is really good but BYU and Miami have better wins than anything ND has (who literally has a loss to Miami).

I’ll pose a different Bama question for you…. Are they out if they lose in the SECCG? The margins are tight enough where if certain results happen behind them I think it’s possible. I mean they’re currently the last team in, basically.

I’m not going to make a new Week 13 thread with State and OM on bye and a short week before the Egg Bowl. It’s also just a terrible slate of games in general. Mizzou/Oklahomw could be interesting. Some rumors that Pribula could be back for Mizzou. That’s probably going to be an ugly game. Otherwise in the SEC…. Slim pickings. Unless Kentucky/Vandy, Arkansas/Texas, and Florida/Tennessee do anything for you. Feel bad for Vandy, they stand a real chance of finishing 10-2 and not making the Playoff because they’re about 6th in the SEC pecking order right now. i saw some frustration from OM people about Texas Tech still being ranked higher. Feel like that’s a game control thing. OM has played a bunch of close games whereas Tech has been dominant, outside of their one loss without their starting QB on the road. OM does have the best win between the two, but Tech blowing out both BYU and Utah is driving their resume a lot too.

I think multiple things can be true with this. The next guy is 100% going to inherit a far better situation than what Kiffin inherited. It does feel like OM’s floor has been raised quite a bit in recent years. I’m not sold that they are now a 10 win a year program regardless of who the coach is, but I would think the bottoming out seasons you saw intermittently in the 2000’s and 2010’s are going to be a rarer thing. On Kiffin…. Yeah he’s got some flaws. Yeah he’s frankly kind of a weird dude. The social media stuff makes him seem like a teenage girl at times. But man I’d have a hard time just shrugging off a guy leaving that’s about to pick up his 50th win since 2021 and assuming the next guy will be able to keep the train rolling. Resources are excellent to have, but you’ve gotta have the right guy to be able to maximize them. If you don’t believe me, ask a Texas or LSU fan how excited they are to be playing in the Music City Bowl or the Liberty Bowl this December. In my opinion, Kiffin is a Top 5 to 10 coach in the country. That’s elite. And look, the next guy for OM may certainly be a good coach too! But the odds of him also being a Top 5 to 10 coach in the country do not seem high. All that to say… I would think the best scenario for Ole Miss here is that Kiffin stays. It’s a risky game to play to assume this guy that’s your greatest coach in the modern era can be easily replaced. State fans and other fan bases in the league know that all too well based off personal experience.

Watched some of that Kiffin interview. Felt like mostly a nothing burger. Or a bit of damage control. Want to say I’d read that McAfee is also a Sexton client. If true, that all may have been arranged by Sexton himself to make Kiffin look a little more sympathetic.

Yeah I don’t really get the ultimatum thing either if that’s what it is. Kiffin feels like he holds all the chips. Also, don’t really get the mentality of not wanting him to coach the playoff game if he decides to leave. It feels like folks are more worried about the hypothetical teams in 2026 and 2027 than the very real chance to advance deep in the playoffs and compete for a championship that exists presently. And as much good as Kiffin has done at Ole Miss, this is the first time it’s gotten to this level. Beyond just a good bowl game, a real chance to compete for a title. Folks really want an interim coach to lead Ole Miss in their biggest stretch of games ever if Kiffin is leaving? I mean look if the guy leaves he leaves and you figure it out, but I’m not sure about doing anything to sabotage the very real opportunity that exists this season about a month from now. It’s a bit of hubris to think this opportunity may come around again easily. Not just for the next guy but even if Kiffin stays. Having the kind of season Ole Miss is having is really hard, and a 9 game league schedule won’t make it any easier.

Sidebar I had totally forgotten that former State player and former almost State head coach Joe Judge was at Ole Miss. I hope John Cohen sends a Christmas gift to the New York Giants every year for saving his rear end on that one.

If Kiffin were to leave…. Golding would be one of the leading candidates to take his place, I presume?

I’m not informed enough to say whether I think he’s leaving or not. And maybe the end result ends up being different than what I’m about to reference. But man it’s not hard to draw some parallels to Dan Mullen 2017 at the moment.