Hattiesburg

[pancho]

Where are the 50% of HHS grads who don't seek college education employed after graduation? I assume they go directly into the work force.

[coastfootballfanman]

Is there any chance either of the Coordinators get a shot? Archie Gibbs is supposed to be one of the best young coaches in the state and Randy Craft has HFC experience and has done a good job with the Hattiesburg defense since coming over from Natchez. 

[Football In MS]

3 hours ago, pancho said:

Where are the 50% of HHS grads who don't seek college education employed after graduation? I assume they go directly into the work force.

Idk. MDE report doesn’t say

[Football In MS]

On 1/1/2025 at 11:02 AM, Vott said:

Who cares where a coach lives? There's no stipulation saying coaches have to live in the district where they teach or coach at. I know a coach who was at Richton but lived in Hattiesburg. Coaches at schools like sumrall or jeff davis co probably live in other cities like Columbia as well

Where do you get the idea that Sumrall coaches don’t live in Sumrall? This is not even close to true. Please don’t make things up.

[Rebel Bert]

When you live in most 5A-7A schools area there are better job opportunities after high school than attending college. Especially fast food, upscale restaurant  jobs. When u live close to a mall there are plenty of starter jobs if your fortunate to get one.

[Football In MS]

On 12/31/2024 at 10:31 AM, doyouevencoachbro said:

If you do not think Hattiesburg is great football job you are just hating them for whatever reason.

 

1.  It is an A rated district no matter what conspiracy theories you can come up with 

 

2.  It is in a major city in the state 

 

3.  It pays really well

 

4.  You have athletes 

 

5.  There is some job security. Vance was there during some good times and some bad 

 

I don't know why some of you guys have an agenda and I have no dog in the fight. 

Bottom line is this:

-HHS is a “B” rated school. That’s straight from the MDE.

-The primary job of a school is based in academic education.

-Coaching salaries are no better at HHS than at their counterparts. They’re all public schools, the pay scale is set by the state. Extra “perks” or “bonuses” that may come from a booster club or team sponsor vary across the state and usually cannot be verified/confirmed on a W2.

-Families in the area who can afford for their kids to go elsewhere… do. Families coming to the area do not ‘choose’ this school district. Ask any realtor in the area. 

-The academic performance at HHS is lower than every other area school comparable by size based on MDE data.

-Discipline issues at HHS are worse than at other area schools comparable by size. Here are the stats straight from the MDE to back that up. These screenshots are Petal, HHS, and OG. You can guess which is which.

 

So honestly there are no conspiracy theories here. There is no opinion. This is hard fact. Some may not like it - but that doesn’t alter the reality. And any coach who has been around for longer than 5 mins knows that discipline is everything - both inside and outside the classroom. Furthermore, a coach is going to have a hard time garnering respect if he coaches at HHS but wants to live and send his kids elsewhere. So at that point you’re narrowing your pool of applicants in a huge way to those already coaching at HHS, and those without school age kids. Coaches/teachers are not (by & large) looking to send their kids to HPSD schools unless they cannot afford an alternative. Especially high school age kids. Not being mean. Just being 100% real.

 

I hope HHS does get a good coach. Good coaching across the state benefits all students & that’s a good thing.

[doyouevencoachbro]

"-HHS is a “B” rated school. That’s straight from the MDE.

-The primary job of a school is based in academic education.

-Coaching salaries are no better at HHS than at their counterparts. They’re all public schools, the pay scale is set by the state. Extra “perks” or “bonuses” that may come from a booster club or team sponsor vary across the state and usually cannot be verified/confirmed on a W2."

 

 

Again I have no dog in this fight, but Hattiesburg School District is an A, the high school is a B, but the entire school district is an A. 

 

I can also tell you Hattiesburg pays very well.  The supplement for the head football job at Hattiesburg was 38k in 2019.  In the same year, Petal's supplement was lower than 20k, but you can look at all of that from the link I have provided.  

 

Hattiesburg is a good job and has the athletes.  They just played for a State Championship. 

 

 https://www.wdam.com/2019/01/23/wdam-investigates-scoring-coaching-supplements/

Edited January 9, 2025 by doyouevencoachbro

[Football In MS]

3 hours ago, doyouevencoachbro said:

"-HHS is a “B” rated school. That’s straight from the MDE.

-The primary job of a school is based in academic education.

-Coaching salaries are no better at HHS than at their counterparts. They’re all public schools, the pay scale is set by the state. Extra “perks” or “bonuses” that may come from a booster club or team sponsor vary across the state and usually cannot be verified/confirmed on a W2."

 

 

Again I have no dog in this fight, but Hattiesburg School District is an A, the high school is a B, but the entire school district is an A. 

 

I can also tell you Hattiesburg pays very well.  The supplement for the head football job at Hattiesburg was 38k in 2019.  In the same year, Petal's supplement was lower than 20k, but you can look at all of that from the link I have provided.  

 

Hattiesburg is a good job and has the athletes.  They just played for a State Championship. 

 

 https://www.wdam.com/2019/01/23/wdam-investigates-scoring-coaching-supplements/

Again - the district is an “A”. HHS is a “B.” Idk why you feel the need to restate the obvious, but whatever. HHS is a “B.” Football players with varsity talent & a choice in the matter are not going to choose HHS. Those desiring top notch educational opportunities won’t either. Just a fact. It’s just numbers.

 

Again - not all benefits are listed on a W2. And if you believe that you can “look up” every benefit a coach of a championship level school is given based on a local media report from 6 years ago, then you’ve not been around very long. Club memberships, leased vehicles, etc will never have a stated value you’ll be able to quantify with a “supplemental” number in a written document. In terms of what reported “supplements” are, yeah - you can look them up. But again - as I already stated - that’s not base salary. And that’s not “extras” from boosters. Base is set by the state based on a chart showing educational level & years of experience. Schools are not in charge of that. And schools aren’t in charge of reporting what types of extra benefits coaches get that regular message board people like us won’t ever see.

 

Whether or not HHS is a “good job” is debatable based on what you value. Playing for a state championship 100 years after winning the last one doesn’t justify all the hype here. But again, I hope they get a good coach. All students deserve the best opportunities the school can provide.

[Vott]

6 hours ago, Football In MS said:

Again - the district is an “A”. HHS is a “B.” Idk why you feel the need to restate the obvious, but whatever. HHS is a “B.” Football players with varsity talent & a choice in the matter are not going to choose HHS. Those desiring top notch educational opportunities won’t either. Just a fact. It’s just numbers.

 

Again - not all benefits are listed on a W2. And if you believe that you can “look up” every benefit a coach of a championship level school is given based on a local media report from 6 years ago, then you’ve not been around very long. Club memberships, leased vehicles, etc will never have a stated value you’ll be able to quantify with a “supplemental” number in a written document. In terms of what reported “supplements” are, yeah - you can look them up. But again - as I already stated - that’s not base salary. And that’s not “extras” from boosters. Base is set by the state based on a chart showing educational level & years of experience. Schools are not in charge of that. And schools aren’t in charge of reporting what types of extra benefits coaches get that regular message board people like us won’t ever see.

 

Whether or not HHS is a “good job” is debatable based on what you value. Playing for a state championship 100 years after winning the last one doesn’t justify all the hype here. But again, I hope they get a good coach. All students deserve the best opportunities the school can provide.

Barnett from Harrison central chose Hattiesburg. So your point is invalid now

[coastfootballfanman]

1 hour ago, Vott said:

Barnett from Harrison central chose Hattiesburg. So your point is invalid now

There was more to that transfer than just choosing Hattiesburg. His connection with Hattiesburg area based 7v7 coach/trainer C.J. Bailey (coupled with Bailey's friendship with Hattiesburg staff - especially Tony Vance) played a major role in that. Barnett was shopping around with Gulfport and Ocean Springs prior to making that move but when it was made clear Harrison Central would press the issue of his transfer to either of those schools, he had to look north.

 

That said, Hattiesburg year in and out will have players to compete. The school district is solid. Pay is highly competitive. It is a good job and I do not see how anyone could say otherwise without personal bias/dislike toward the program

Edited January 9, 2025 by coastfootballfanman

[RMcCormick66]

8 hours ago, Football In MS said:

Again - the district is an “A”. HHS is a “B.” Idk why you feel the need to restate the obvious, but whatever. HHS is a “B.” Football players with varsity talent & a choice in the matter are not going to choose HHS. Those desiring top notch educational opportunities won’t either. Just a fact. It’s just numbers.

 

Again - not all benefits are listed on a W2. And if you believe that you can “look up” every benefit a coach of a championship level school is given based on a local media report from 6 years ago, then you’ve not been around very long. Club memberships, leased vehicles, etc will never have a stated value you’ll be able to quantify with a “supplemental” number in a written document. In terms of what reported “supplements” are, yeah - you can look them up. But again - as I already stated - that’s not base salary. And that’s not “extras” from boosters. Base is set by the state based on a chart showing educational level & years of experience. Schools are not in charge of that. And schools aren’t in charge of reporting what types of extra benefits coaches get that regular message board people like us won’t ever see.

 

Whether or not HHS is a “good job” is debatable based on what you value. Playing for a state championship 100 years after winning the last one doesn’t justify all the hype here. But again, I hope they get a good coach. All students deserve the best opportunities the school can provide.

From my understanding they've never won a championsip in football 

[s1nglewing]

36 minutes ago, RMcCormick66 said:

From my understanding they've never won a championsip in football 

1924

[Football In MS]

4 hours ago, Vott said:

Barnett from Harrison central chose Hattiesburg. So your point is invalid now

I’m not going to continue to belabor the point here. Anyone from the area (or with connections to the area) knows the deal. So I’ll just leave this here:

 

kids who can start at other places will go elsewhere. families who can afford other districts will do so. pre-existing connections with coaches and other random factors can play in from time to time but that’s not what we’re talking about here. all things equal, everyone knows what districts are considered “good,” what jobs are “desirable” and where the best schools are located. 

[coastball]

3 hours ago, coastfootballfanman said:

There was more to that transfer than just choosing Hattiesburg. His connection with Hattiesburg area based 7v7 coach/trainer C.J. Bailey (coupled with Bailey's friendship with Hattiesburg staff - especially Tony Vance) played a major role in that. Barnett was shopping around with Gulfport and Ocean Springs prior to making that move but when it was made clear Harrison Central would press the issue of his transfer to either of those schools, he had to look north.

 

That said, Hattiesburg year in and out will have players to compete. The school district is solid. Pay is highly competitive. It is a good job and I do not see how anyone could say otherwise without personal bias/dislike toward the program

The same CJ Bailey that was found to recruiting kids from Vancleave/EC areas while he was at Moss Point and I believe was released  because of it and I think cost those kids a year of eligibility. You have to watch out for those 7 v 7 "leagues" as they are usually tampering a lot with athletes during al that "coaching".

 

Didn't Bailey's son Deljay move like 3 times in HS? Just saw he's now enrolling at Itawamba CC I think

[Vott]

28 minutes ago, Football In MS said:

I’m not going to continue to belabor the point here. Anyone from the area (or with connections to the area) knows the deal. So I’ll just leave this here:

 

kids who can start at other places will go elsewhere. families who can afford other districts will do so. pre-existing connections with coaches and other random factors can play in from time to time but that’s not what we’re talking about here. all things equal, everyone knows what districts are considered “good,” what jobs are “desirable” and where the best schools are located. 

Dude, just come out and say you hate Hattiesburg. To go find a chart about male and female in school suspensions and/or arrests of students and MDE tells me youre obsessed with what goes on at HHS. 

[Football In MS]

35 minutes ago, Vott said:

Dude, just come out and say you hate Hattiesburg. To go find a chart about male and female in school suspensions and/or arrests of students and MDE tells me youre obsessed with what goes on at HHS. 

I didn’t make up the stats or the data.

If you’re frustrated, it’s with the facts & the MDE. Not with me.

 

definitely not “obsessed” about HHS.

I do however care about truth & student athletes. And I do know a lot about the area. I’ve got family who went there. It was the best school in the region for a long, long time. Up until about 25 years ago. Unfortunately when the population starting moving west and PCS added a high school it affected the HPSD in a negative way. nobody’s fault. that’s just how things go. Not everything makes us feel warm & fuzzy. It happens. Whether or not we like it doesn’t affect the truth of the situation

[Vott]

18 minutes ago, Football In MS said:

I didn’t make up the stats or the data.

If you’re frustrated, it’s with the facts & the MDE. Not with me.

 

definitely not “obsessed” about HHS.

I do however care about truth & student athletes. And I do know a lot about the area. I’ve got family who went there. It was the best school in the region for a long, long time. Up until about 25 years ago. Unfortunately when the population starting moving west and PCS added a high school it affected the HPSD in a negative way. nobody’s fault. that’s just how things go. Not everything makes us feel warm & fuzzy. It happens. Whether or not we like it doesn’t affect the truth of the situation

All im interested in is seeing who the next coach is. Not concerned with MDE stats at all. 

[pancho]

A potential HC candidate should be if he's smart.

[Vott]

1 hour ago, pancho said:

A potential HC candidate should be if he's smart.

A coach yes. Regular ole joe like myself. No.

[BrickCity]

6 minutes ago, Vott said:

A coach yes. Regular ole joe like myself. No.

Vott for Head Coach. I support

[Vott]

9 minutes ago, BrickCity said:

Vott for Head Coach. I support

Dude shut up and just go away.

[Chunky6617]

Hattiesburg and Oak Grove uses their youth  football programs to recruit. It’s much easier for oak grove than it is Hattiesburg. But oak grove is quickly becoming less and less desirable as well and many people are leaving oak grove lately and going places like Sumrall. 

[BrickCity]

8 minutes ago, Vott said:

Dude shut up and just go away.

Vott its 2025. Let the past be the past. New year new me

[Wareaglefan1us]

If I were AD at Hattiesburg my first call would be Tyrone Shorter at Louisville. He may not be interested but I would test the waters and see. I just believe he would be a good fit.

[Old Golfer]

Would bet Starkville called Shorter!