The total destruction of class 5A by MHSAA

[coastfootballfanman]

42 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

Callaway with 705 students being competitive against Clinton with basically 1400? That school is twice the size. 
 

That would be the equivalent of throwing Callaway in 1A. 

Louisiana, Georgia, Florida, Texas all have similar number disparities. Louisville would beat 80% of the 6A and 7A schools despite being half their size. School size is not as big of a deal as some make it. I get why you do make it one being a Grenada fan. 

[Wareaglefan1us]

11 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

Louisiana, Georgia, Florida, Texas all have similar number disparities. Louisville would beat 80% of the 6A and 7A schools despite being half their size. School size is not as big of a deal as some make it. I get why you do make it one being a Grenada fan. 

Absolutely correct I don’t buy into the number of students narrative. You may have more to come out but that doesn’t mean they’re football players. Not every 6’2  240 lbs kid is a football player 

[hasbeen67]

Isn't it the same as what's happened in college - more playoff games = more money?  It's probably impossible to divide it up to please everyone. 

[Rebel Bert]

True facts:

More playoff money

You will never please everyone

Some fans will always complain

5A schools will need to step it up.

[GTownDanger06]

16 hours ago, Wareaglefan1us said:

Absolutely correct I don’t buy into the number of students narrative. You may have more to come out but that doesn’t mean they’re football players. Not every 6’2  240 lbs kid is a football player 

So if I have 700 more kids there won’t be 10-15 more football players or athletes to develop? 

[GTownDanger06]

16 hours ago, coastfootballfanman said:

Louisiana, Georgia, Florida, Texas all have similar number disparities. Louisville would beat 80% of the 6A and 7A schools despite being half their size. School size is not as big of a deal as some make it. I get why you do make it one being a Grenada fan. 

If Louisville was in 7A they wouldn’t be in Hattiesburg. 

[maroontide06]

25 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

If Louisville was in 7A they wouldn’t be in Hattiesburg. 

He didn't say they would be.  He said that Louisville would beat 80% of the current 6A & 7A schools, which is an accurate assessment.

[coastfootballfanman]

32 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

So if I have 700 more kids there won’t be 10-15 more football players or athletes to develop? 

Desoto Central is one of the largest schools in this state. They have never one more than 7 games in a season and have never won a playoff game. Harrison Central was the biggest school in the state for 20+ years. They have just 2 wins in 40+ years of the playoff system being established. They have 1 region title (1989). I am not saying having numbers cannot potentially help but it is not the be all, end all. Picayune is a team who routinely has played schools with 500+ more students than them and has beaten them. 

[GTownDanger06]

12 minutes ago, maroontide06 said:

He didn't say they would be.  He said that Louisville would beat 80% of the current 6A & 7A schools, which is an accurate assessment.

And if Louisville was a 2nd round/1st round out every year you think 80% of their fan base would accept that? Or would they firing staff and asking families to move? 

[GTownDanger06]

5 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

Desoto Central is one of the largest schools in this state. They have never one more than 7 games in a season and have never won a playoff game. Harrison Central was the biggest school in the state for 20+ years. They have just 2 wins in 40+ years of the playoff system being established. They have 1 region title (1989). I am not saying having numbers cannot potentially help but it is not the be all, end all. Picayune is a team who routinely has played schools with 500+ more students than them and has beaten them. 

Desoto Central hasn’t had the right person either and when they did he fooled around on Ashley Madison. Their current coach will get them there. The right guy with numbers and administrative support and watch out. 
 

Let me ask it this way…. If you took Desoto Central dropped them into 5A with their numbers do they have more than 7 wins and a playoff victory? Yep probably so… if numbers aren’t the end all then why can’t teams opt down? Numbers don’t matter…..

[GTownDanger06]

12 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

Desoto Central is one of the largest schools in this state. They have never one more than 7 games in a season and have never won a playoff game. Harrison Central was the biggest school in the state for 20+ years. They have just 2 wins in 40+ years of the playoff system being established. They have 1 region title (1989). I am not saying having numbers cannot potentially help but it is not the be all, end all. Picayune is a team who routinely has played schools with 500+ more students than them and has beaten them. 

But Picayune’s 2 losses this year were to Brandon and Gulfport. You think their fan base is going to accept being “competitive”?

 

[coastfootballfanman]

2 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

Desoto Central hasn’t had the right person either and when they did he fooled around on Ashley Madison. Their current coach will get them there. The right guy with numbers and administrative support and watch out. 
 

Let me ask it this way…. If you took Desoto Central dropped them into 5A with their numbers do they have more than 7 wins and a playoff victory? Yep probably so… if numbers aren’t the end all then why can’t teams opt down? Numbers don’t matter…..

Sounds like an excuse for your argument though. They have better numbers than most schools and have for some time now and literally have nothing to show for it. Your argument was the disparity in numbers correlates with competitiveness. It does not as I just laid out examples. 

 

As far as the part I bolded, that is pretty simple. Because the MHSAA does not allow you to opt down. LOL. You think if they could, St. Martin or Long Beach would not opt down? Hell I would wager half of Desoto County schools would opt down.  

[coastfootballfanman]

8 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

But Picayune’s 2 losses this year were to Brandon and Gulfport. You think their fan base is going to accept being “competitive”?

 

They are more than competitive and you know that. They also beat them both last season. Hell, they have played Gulfport each of the last 9-10 seasons and have only lost to them 3 times.. Again, I understand why you feel so strongly about this. Your program has benefitted directly from 7 classes and you know if it went back to 5 or even 6, you fall back into being just another team and using the "ThEY HaVe MoRe KiDs ThAn wE dO!" argument. 

[Rebel Bert]

37 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

And if Louisville was a 2nd round/1st round out every year you think 80% of their fan base would accept that? Or would they firing staff and asking families to move? 

They better hope Noxapater and Ninah Waiya always remain open. 

[maroontide06]

30 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

But Picayune’s 2 losses this year were to Brandon and Gulfport. You think their fan base is going to accept being “competitive”?

 

You really are delusional.  We expect to win every game we play.  All we do is schedule 7A opponents for the non-district portion of our schedule.  We did schedule Northshore to replace Catholic and added an away game with Petal this year.

[Rebel Bert]

If Louisville, Nanih Waiya, and Noxapater were to consolidate now they would be 5th largest 5A school. 17 Winston Academy students and they would be 6A. 

[GTownDanger06]

4 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

They are more than competitive and you know that. They also beat them both last season. Hell, they have played Gulfport each of the last 9-10 seasons and have only lost to them 3 times.. Again, I understand why you feel so strongly about this. Your program has benefitted directly from 7 classes and you know if it went back to 5 or even 6, you fall back into being just another team and using the "ThEY HaVe MoRe KiDs ThAn wE dO!" argument. 

Nah if they went back to the 5-6 classification Grenada would be “competitive” like they were in past most years but in the end they just don’t have enough to break through. Just like Picayune would be in 7A. They would make maybe second round but then get beat by a Brandon, Oak Grove, Ocean Springs, maybe Gulfport and D’Iberville. Just like Grenada did for years but then lost to Madison, Tupelo, Starkville. 

[s1nglewing]

44 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

Desoto Central hasn’t had the right person either and when they did he fooled around on Ashley Madison. Their current coach will get them there. The right guy with numbers and administrative support and watch out. 
 

Let me ask it this way…. If you took Desoto Central dropped them into 5A with their numbers do they have more than 7 wins and a playoff victory? Yep probably so… if numbers aren’t the end all then why can’t teams opt down? Numbers don’t matter…..

Greenville Christian 2021

[GTownDanger06]

8 minutes ago, maroontide06 said:

You really are delusional.  We expect to win every game we play.  All we do is schedule 7A opponents for the non-district portion of our schedule.  We did schedule Northshore to replace Catholic and added an away game with Petal this year.

That is my point. Yall expect to win every year and you should but if yall were 7A would yall have had the success you’ve had over last 10-15 years? 

[GTownDanger06]

2 minutes ago, s1nglewing said:

Greenville Christian 2021

Hahahaha. With 15 recruited kids literally from Memphis - Vicksburg. 

[coastfootballfanman]

4 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

Nah if they went back to the 5-6 classification Grenada would be “competitive” like they were in past most years but in the end they just don’t have enough to break through. Just like Picayune would be in 7A. They would make maybe second round but then get beat by a Brandon, Oak Grove, Ocean Springs, maybe Gulfport and D’Iberville. Just like Grenada did for years but then lost to Madison, Tupelo, Starkville. 

We can agree to disagree with that. Picayune is not a good barometer for your argument. They are a program that will always seek out to play the best of the best which again adds to the point that enrollment is not as big of a deal as your are making it because they routinely beat teams that have 3-400 more kids than they do. 

[GTownDanger06]

There are going to be years. West Point when Marcus Murphy, Chris Calvert, and Jason Brownlee there. No one was beating that team. 
 

The Scott Central squad like 3 years ago could have played with anyone. 
 

Taylorsville has had a group like that. 
 

Charleston in 3A in 2005 would have beaten anyone. 

[GTownDanger06]

8 minutes ago, coastfootballfanman said:

We can agree to disagree with that. Picayune is not a good barometer for your argument. They are a program that will always seek out to play the best of the best which again adds to the point that enrollment is not as big of a deal as your are making it because they routinely beat teams that have 3-400 more kids than they do. 

If Hollandale Simmons plays Picayune who is winning that game every year? PICAYUNE BY 100. 
 

That’s the exact same enrollment gap. Haha

Edited December 6, 2024 by GTownDanger06

[maroontide06]

9 minutes ago, GTownDanger06 said:

That is my point. Yall expect to win every year and you should but if yall were 7A would yall have had the success you’ve had over last 10-15 years? 

Probably so.  The coast is well, the coast.  In 2003 we were in Region 3-5A, which would be current 7A in today's terms.  We played Oak Grove for South State in their old stadium.  If you complain about Brandon's old stadium, you ain't seen nothin'.

[GTownDanger06]

1 minute ago, maroontide06 said:

Probably so.  The coast is well, the coast.  In 2003 we were in Region 3-5A, which would be current 7A in today's terms.  We played Oak Grove for South State in their old stadium.  If you complain about Brandon's old stadium, you ain't seen nothin'.

I recall that. Picayune has one of the premier programs in the state of MS.