VancleaveDogs Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Time for another change here, many thought our program was moving in the right direction, but this year has been awful, we score, but cannot stop anyone, gotta make some changes in defensive philosophy or personnel, it may have to start at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) I don't pretend to know so much about Vancleave football, however, there's only so many athletes to go around and Fant is probably stacking the offense with them in the hope of winning shootouts. Honestly, though, I don't think Fant has the intangibles necessary to be a great, maybe even good head coach. He has an arrogance about him and possibly doesn't relate well to the players. He's a very good offensive game-planner but ... face of a football program -- I don't know. In the playoff era, you've had thirteen coaches and only Don Hinton has had sustained success. Bloomfield's teams were competitive but he finished with an overall losing record. Perhaps expectations should be tempered when you're averaging a new head coach every three years since the early 80s. BTW, who is the defensive coordinator? Edited October 6, 2021 by Archer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCF2000 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I agree that Vancleave is trigger happy with hiring coach’s , They seem to wanna hire the first pretty face . It’s a shame they’re were several good names in the hat when Fant was hired . There seems to be some pretty good talent in Vancleave right now I believe with right motivation and path they may be able to make some noise . The current staff definitely isn’t motivated to lead it seams as if the offense is shooting from the hip the whole game . Defense has holes and cut back lanes everywhere and definitely open to the big play . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancleaveDogs Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 Casey Gilbert is the DC, he came from Goula and up north somewhere before that, don't know if he has ever been a DC before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, VancleaveDogs said: Casey Gilbert is the DC, he came from Goula and up north somewhere before that, don't know if he has ever been a DC before. Oh boy. OH BOY. My condolences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1nglewing Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 Gilbert was an asst. at Cleveland East Side before going to Pascagoula, then Moss Point, then back to Pascagoula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancleaveDogs Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 Well we suck on defense....period. Probably finish 3 or 4 and 7 or 8....... Fant hasn't won here in 3 years ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCF2000 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Couple bright spots on the field last night for Vancleave . 22 Peterson kid is only a jr I think he’s gonna be a force next season. 2 Parker sophomore first start from what I hear .. I didn’t think he did to bad . Only game I’ve seen but the lack of execution on offense forces creativity that was used way to late in the game . 10 in the box and Fant ran Iso ? Vancleave took away the flats and out routes but never adjusted to stop the curls or the Qb . Coaches seem like they just winged it last night . Vancleave past was always the team that would hammer folks and play smart football . Not the case anymore getting pushed around and burning timeouts in the first qtr on 4th down because they didn’t jump . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamppanther Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 2:49 PM, VancleaveDogs said: Casey Gilbert is the DC, he came from Goula and up north somewhere before that, don't know if he has ever been a DC before. Gilbert at best may be a good position’s coach. But he spent two stints as an OC in Goula and they were both terrible. Sisson tried him his last year and with Senquez Golson the offense was pathetic. Sims tried him again after Fant left and again terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, swamppanther said: Gilbert at best may be a good position’s coach. But he spent two stints as an OC in Goula and they were both terrible. Sisson tried him his last year and with Senquez Golson the offense was pathetic. Sims tried him again after Fant left and again terrible. I agree. He did have success coaching the defensive line after Sims moved him there in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancleaveDogs Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 Well we give up about 40 a game, really it's not good, offensively we have only one weapon and the kid is running the ball 25 plus times a game, Peterson is going to be a good ball player, sorry already is, maybe the best overall kid on the team, ran the ball more the past couple of games, we moved in a new QB last week and he got knocked out of the game on 2 occasions, we really need to make some changes in the staff, but I don't think our AD will do that, I don't know if he has the **** to do it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders 10 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Ain't Vancleave in 6A or I wrong I know they on the coast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Vancleave plays in 5A. More like 3A or 4A talent though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders 10 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 ok just having a hard time this season I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK_on_the_Coast Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Vancleave and Laurel are tied with the lowest enrollment of all 5A schools. That is the reason there are 33 teams in 5A this season and next, with Region 2 getting an extra region game and nine teams in that league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders 10 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumberlayer Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/6/2021 at 3:17 PM, s1nglewing said: Gilbert was an asst. at Cleveland East Side before going to Pascagoula, then Moss Point, then back to Pascagoula. Gilbert was at Cleveland High under Greg Robinson, not Cleveland East Side. Not sure what his role was, possibly OC and OL. I know Robinson is the DC at Brandon and has been for many years so I assume he was the calling the defense at Cleveland before he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancleaveDogs Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 well last week we played PRC and won. but they are like1-7, so we didn't really impress anyone, never stopped them on defense, they turned the ball over 3-4 times or it would have been a shoot-out. We are in 5A this year, really needed to be in 4A again, had we been could probably have finished top 4. IDK guys its really bad, numbers are down, kids not playing...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastfootballfanman Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I think Vancleave will be fine going forward. I know their 9th and 10th grade groups are really solid and I hear the 8th grade group is good. Dogs were in for a down year from what I gathered anyway. Losing some OL/DL and their QB from last year. Bilbo was the only thing really coming back. Obviously being in a tough 5A region compared to the cupcake that is coast 4A is a little different. What are enrollment numbers going to be next reclassification? I have been told that both Vancleave and East Central are steadily going to continue to grow. I got to watch their last two freshmen teams and I was impressed with how they played and looked. Better days are coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancleaveDogs Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 The ninth grade team had a good year, I think they lost 1--2 games, it is a good group, but the sophomore class does not have much talent. I think the JV team this year got hammered every game they played. 8th grade, ah....so, so..... It will be another bad year next season and hopefully 2 years from now we can be competitive.....numbers are about the same as before, not much change, not many people moving into this area, as for EC yes it is growing, most people moving into shipyard or Chevron want to live north of Pascagoula. It would be beneficial for all sports if we could go back to 4A...............and make some changes in the staff(s)..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancleaveDogs Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 Well another disappointing season comes to an end. We finished the year 4-7, The Fant era should come to an end, 12-19 over 3 years, last year we were 5-6, so no improvement in the program in 3 years. Yes at times we looked ok on offense, but once again the defense was bad, all season, had chances to beat EC, but no defense, gave up 42 points. The fact is we have had a couple of athletic groups the last 2 seasons, it is just not showing up consistently on Friday nights.....IDK the answers, if I did I would express them, but if we do not become a better balanced team on both sides of the ball, next season will not end any better.....We had one of the better backs in the division, their were 3-4 pretty good backs, and Gautier has the QB who is so-so........next season who knows what we will do on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCF2000 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Heard rumor Fant was leaving ... Not sure how accurate that is . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastfootballfanman Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Vancleave has been, and most likely always will be a program that competes but usually does not have the athletes to truly be contenders. If Fant leaves or is run off, who do they expect to get? Vancleave is not a community swimming with talent and athletes. I think Fant is the right guy for the job, but they are going through a little bit of a dip when it comes to talent (especially on defense). Seeing them the little I have this year, other than Bilbo, there is not a player on their roster that I would say is college ball player. Obviously moving to 5A has been a struggle for them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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