Girls Flag Football

[Coastsportsguy1357]

5 hours ago, Greyhoundtransplant said:

460k compared to 72 million overall budget. They only spend according to what they take in. If the budget goes over in one year it gets taken out the following year. No state or tax money shifts to it. Most sports get 5-7k max. It's not all it's cracked up to be. The coast especially doesn't invest like the northern schools.

I do agree with you on the budget per sport. That’s across the board (excluding football). That does not include uniforms in that number though. It’s a completely separate budget from the individual sports budget. The AD has an actual uniform budget. 

[Greyhoundtransplant]

I think it's funny that you think all of them operate this way. I can tell you it's not separate in OS it all falls under one umbrella. I also know for a fact that OSAF, which is the organization that gives grants in OS,  had to buy Track uniforms 2 years ago because their "was no money left in the athletic budget" to do so. I have first hand knowledge of what the booster clubs spend and what they buy, as well as the conversations inside. Every district is different in how they handle it. There was/is a contract with BSN for uniforms and each team was given an allotment for uniforms over 3 years, but not all teams used it because not all needed them replaced. If a uniform is lost/damaged/needs to be replaced, the district isn't paying for it, it falls on the booster club even though it's treated as an asset. But by all means keep telling me that I don't know. 

[pancho]

I know 4A schools in north MS who have basically no budget for each sport.   The HC makes requests and some are approved and some and axed.  It's different year to year.

[Coastsportsguy1357]

1 hour ago, Greyhoundtransplant said:

I think it's funny that you think all of them operate this way. I can tell you it's not separate in OS it all falls under one umbrella. I also know for a fact that OSAF, which is the organization that gives grants in OS,  had to buy Track uniforms 2 years ago because their "was no money left in the athletic budget" to do so. I have first hand knowledge of what the booster clubs spend and what they buy, as well as the conversations inside. Every district is different in how they handle it. There was/is a contract with BSN for uniforms and each team was given an allotment for uniforms over 3 years, but not all teams used it because not all needed them replaced. If a uniform is lost/damaged/needs to be replaced, the district isn't paying for it, it falls on the booster club even though it's treated as an asset. But by all means keep telling me that I don't know. 

I can promise you, I know a lot more about these athletic departments, including OS. I never said they all do the same thing. I even said that some do it every 2 years versus every 3-4 years. Those uniforms were purchased through the district office. Let’s say you are right though, and the booster paid for them. You’re using one example from two years ago at an athletic office that was completely depleted because of the previous administration, a fact that you conveniently left out. If a uniform is lost by the student, why would the school be the one to pay for it?? If a kid loses a textbook, a computer, or a library book the family pays for it. 

Edited June 10, 2025 by Coastsportsguy1357

[Coastsportsguy1357]

6 minutes ago, pancho said:

I know 4A schools in north MS who have basically no budget for each sport.   The HC makes requests and some are approved and some and axed.  It's different year to year.

I’m not saying budgets aren’t getting cut in half at some schools. Especially some of the smaller schools. I’m saying that the uniform that has to be worn for the game, male or female, is being bought from the school budget. It varies on how often they do it, some do it every 2 years while others might do it every 4 years. The only time they’re fundraising and buying through the boosters is when it’s an alternate jersey or it’s not within that cycle. If it’s a required home or away jersey, they’re buying them for the kids. 

[Football In MS]

On 6/9/2025 at 1:13 AM, s1nglewing said:

Fake news. 

All public school sports (male and female) are taxpayer funded. To do otherwise, such as you claim, would be a violation of Title 9. 

If schools do fundraising for a sport, then that's what it is...

But your assertion is false.

It’s not an assertion. It’s a lived experience. My checkbook can tell the tale.

[Football In MS]

2 hours ago, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

I’m not saying budgets aren’t getting cut in half at some schools. Especially some of the smaller schools. I’m saying that the uniform that has to be worn for the game, male or female, is being bought from the school budget. It varies on how often they do it, some do it every 2 years while others might do it every 4 years. The only time they’re fundraising and buying through the boosters is when it’s an alternate jersey or it’s not within that cycle. If it’s a required home or away jersey, they’re buying them for the kids. 

If this were true, then school board agenda minutes would clearly state that uniforms were purchased from district funds. However, this is not the case in all districts. Meeting minutes verify it. Certain teams have to have uniform fundraisers in order to pay for the uniforms needed. That’s just a fact & and an easily researched one at that. 

[Football In MS]

On 6/9/2025 at 9:08 AM, Rebel Bert said:

Volleyball, basketball or softball uniforms can be used for flag football.

Why should girls have to recycle old uniforms? This is like saying boys football and baseball can share uniforms. While it theoretically could be possible (although entirely unorthodox), it’s not ever going to happen, nor should it have to happen.

Edited June 11, 2025 by Football In MS

[Football In MS]

20 hours ago, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

Instead of saying it’s untrue, why don’t you give a situation of example where this happened. Again, there is not a sanctioned sport in the MHSAA where uniforms aren’t provided. They’re all on 3-4 year rotations. 

My own school athletes prove this untrue. Look man, idk why you’re fighting on this. It happened to us. Literally. 2 females. 2 different sports. School has not purchased a single uniform for either team in at least 10 years. Back further than that I cannot personally verify. But I CAN personally attest to what happened when my athletes were on their high school teams. Why would I make it up? It would make my school look bad. Which is why I’m not calling out our school by name because that’s not helpful. But what I’m telling you is that just because it’s not “supposed” to be this way doesn’t mean it’s not. 
 

We all know there are things that happen and shouldn’t. And we also know that the whistleblowers in these situations don’t walk away unscathed. So we shut up & pay up so our female athletes can get the opportunities they’ve worked for.

Edited June 11, 2025 by Football In MS

[Coastsportsguy1357]

30 minutes ago, Football In MS said:

If this were true, then school board agenda minutes would clearly state that uniforms were purchased from district funds. However, this is not the case in all districts. Meeting minutes verify it. Certain teams have to have uniform fundraisers in order to pay for the uniforms needed. That’s just a fact & and an easily researched one at that. 

Not sure what you think they cover at these school board meetings, but they don't go over in detail what was ordered or paid.  That's all done in advance between the athletic departments and the business offices.  The only thing that happens at the board meeting is the approval to make the payments.  Again, you're saying uniform fundraisers are being doing and I'm not arguing that.  I 100% agree that they fundraise to buy uniforms.  They're doing it for other uniforms, not their home and away uniforms.  

[Coastsportsguy1357]

26 minutes ago, Football In MS said:

My own school athletes prove this untrue. Look man, idk why you’re fighting on this. It happened to us. Literally. 2 females. 2 different sports. School has not purchased a single uniform for either team in at least 10 years. Back further than that I cannot personally verify. But I CAN personally attest to what happened when my athletes were on their high school teams. Why would I make it up? It would make my school look bad. Which is why I’m not calling out our school by name because that’s not helpful. But what I’m telling you is that just because it’s not “supposed” to be this way doesn’t mean it’s not. 
 

We all know there are things that happen and shouldn’t. And we also know that the whistleblowers in these situations don’t walk away unscathed. So we shut up & pay up so our female athletes can get the opportunities they’ve worked for.

I'm not fighting you in particular, I'm stating that there is misinformation about this all over this thread.  You said you have had 2 athletes play high school sports.  When were they in school?  You say you can't go back further than 10 years and I get that, but we are talking about right now, this day and age.  Maybe there was a one off at whatever school you're talking about, I'm not denying that because I don't know.  If that was the case, then I 100% believe that it was a rare, but unfortunate occurrence for you and your daughters and it shouldn't have happened. Right now, with Title IX the way it is, there is no way that the female sports aren't getting the same uniform options that the boys do.  Again, this is what this thread is all about and I know that is just inaccurate information on the coast.  If there is a school where this happens, then that's unfortunate and it needs to be called out for it.  I know there are coaches that will not go through the district and use booster club funds because they don't want to go through all of the red tape that the district or business office makes them go through.  Is that the districts fault?  I personally know the majority of AD's on the coast, going back 5-6 years.  Not one of them would not purchase uniforms for a female team.  Again, it's on the coach to come to them with those wants/needs.  If the coach doesn't do that or if they decide to go ahead and use the boosters because it's "easier", that's not the districts fault.  I'm done on this topic.  I know how it works and everything that goes on behind the scenes.  

[Football In MS]

Just now, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

I'm not fighting you in particular, I'm stating that there is misinformation about this all over this thread.  You said you have had 2 athletes play high school sports.  When were they in school?  You say you can't go back further than 10 years and I get that, but we are talking about right now, this day and age.  Maybe there was a one off at whatever school you're talking about, I'm not denying that because I don't know.  If that was the case, then I 100% believe that it was a rare, but unfortunate occurrence for you and your daughters and it shouldn't have happened. Right now, with Title IX the way it is, there is no way that the female sports aren't getting the same uniform options that the boys do.  Again, this is what this thread is all about and I know that is just inaccurate information on the coast.  If there is a school where this happens, then that's unfortunate and it needs to be called out for it.  I know there are coaches that will not go through the district and use booster club funds because they don't want to go through all of the red tape that the district or business office makes them go through.  Is that the districts fault?  I personally know the majority of AD's on the coast, going back 5-6 years.  Not one of them would not purchase uniforms for a female team.  Again, it's on the coach to come to them with those wants/needs.  If the coach doesn't do that or if they decide to go ahead and use the boosters because it's "easier", that's not the districts fault.  I'm done on this topic.  I know how it works and everything that goes on behind the scenes.  

You’ve asked for exactly when the girls were in school - the first school team was fall 2018 and the most recent graduated last year.

Both coaches asked repeatedly for the same assistance with uniforms and transportation that boys get. Requests were denied. School just “didn’t have the budget.” And when they do competitions, there is no financial assistance available. They’re told competitions are “optional” and they could just cheer on the boys instead of wanting to compete. So their desire to compete against their peers in the same way their male counterparts do is largely dismissed as “extra” and unnecessary because they’re girls. District says the same - girls competing is optional, so parents bear all expense. However, when boys want to compete, the school/district provides the practice facility, competition venue, refs, safety equipment, etc. Girls aren’t treated the same and as parents we know if we make a stink what will happen - so we suck it up, write the check, and vow to be the support our kids deserve because being a girl is not a handicap!

[Coastsportsguy1357]

3 minutes ago, Football In MS said:

You’ve asked for exactly when the girls were in school - the first school team was fall 2018 and the most recent graduated last year.

Both coaches asked repeatedly for the same assistance with uniforms and transportation that boys get. Requests were denied. School just “didn’t have the budget.” And when they do competitions, there is no financial assistance available. They’re told competitions are “optional” and they could just cheer on the boys instead of wanting to compete. So their desire to compete against their peers in the same way their male counterparts do is largely dismissed as “extra” and unnecessary because they’re girls. District says the same - girls competing is optional, so parents bear all expense. However, when boys want to compete, the school/district provides the practice facility, competition venue, refs, safety equipment, etc. Girls aren’t treated the same and as parents we know if we make a stink what will happen - so we suck it up, write the check, and vow to be the support our kids deserve because being a girl is not a handicap!

Man, I mean it when I say this, that truly is a travesty. What area of the state was this in?

[Football In MS]

26 minutes ago, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

Not sure what you think they cover at these school board meetings, but they don't go over in detail what was ordered or paid.  That's all done in advance between the athletic departments and the business offices.  The only thing that happens at the board meeting is the approval to make the payments.  Again, you're saying uniform fundraisers are being doing and I'm not arguing that.  I 100% agree that they fundraise to buy uniforms.  They're doing it for other uniforms, not their home and away uniforms.  

School board meetings, agendas and minutes are most certainly filled with financial info. I know because I’ve attended meetings and read minutes regularly. It’s published online. Again - this is easily researched fact. If you think I’m lying, just google school board minutes for whatever district you’re interested in seeing and read to your heart’s content. It’s all right there.

[Football In MS]

2 minutes ago, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

Man, I mean it when I say this, that truly is a travesty. What area of the state was this in?

South

[Coastsportsguy1357]

1 minute ago, Football In MS said:

School board meetings, agendas and minutes are most certainly filled with financial info. I know because I’ve attended meetings and read minutes regularly. It’s published online. Again - this is easily researched fact. If you think I’m lying, just google school board minutes for whatever district you’re interested in seeing and read to your heart’s content. It’s all right there.

I’ve already googled and looked at Biloxi, Jackson County, and OS. Didn’t see one minutes agenda that shows approval for uniforms being ordered or invoices for uniforms being paid. 

[Football In MS]

1 minute ago, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

I’ve already googled and looked at Biloxi, Jackson County, and OS. Didn’t see one minutes agenda that shows approval for uniforms being ordered or invoices for uniforms being paid. 

South state is more than just the coastal schools. 
I’m trying really hard here not to call out the school we were in. But it’s not a small one.

[Coastsportsguy1357]

1 minute ago, Football In MS said:

South state is more than just the coastal schools. 
I’m trying really hard here not to call out the school we were in. But it’s not a small one.

I get it, I was just using those as examples of where I looked. I very well may not be looking at the right place to find it. I do know the board doesn’t give any approval on uniform orders. All they do is approve payment when it’s time to pay the invoices. 

[Football In MS]

2 minutes ago, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

I get it, I was just using those as examples of where I looked. I very well may not be looking at the right place to find it. I do know the board doesn’t give any approval on uniform orders. All they do is approve payment when it’s time to pay the invoices. 

Right. And those appovals say where the $ is coming from. “District funds” are used for many things… but never girls needs. Those come from booster clubs or activity funds (payments made through MySchoolBucks, etc) or donations from sponsors as noted on the minutes.

Edited June 11, 2025 by Football In MS

[Coastsportsguy1357]

3 minutes ago, Football In MS said:

Right. And those appovals say where the $ is coming from. “District funds” are used for many things… but never girls needs. Those come from booster clubs or activity funds (payments made through MySchoolBucks, etc) or donations from sponsors as noted on the minutes.

Maybe that’s the case at this particular school, and that sucks, it really does. They should 100% be called out because it’s not the case at the majority of the schools, especially on the coast. The one thing that all of these AD’s are worried about is not taking care of the female sports enough. Maybe that culture has shifted in the last few years, for whatever the reason is and they’re actively trying to make it better for them. Again, it honestly does suck that your daughters had to go through it the way they did. 

[Rebel Bert]

10 hours ago, Football In MS said:

If this were true, then school board agenda minutes would clearly state that uniforms were purchased from district funds. However, this is not the case in all districts. Meeting minutes verify it. Certain teams have to have uniform fundraisers in order to pay for the uniforms needed. That’s just a fact & and an easily researched one at that. 

I believe school boards have to approve all fundraisers, trips, booster club expenses, etc.

[Greyhoundtransplant]

17 hours ago, Coastsportsguy1357 said:

I can promise you, I know a lot more about these athletic departments, including OS. I never said they all do the same thing. I even said that some do it every 2 years versus every 3-4 years. Those uniforms were purchased through the district office. Let’s say you are right though, and the booster paid for them. You’re using one example from two years ago at an athletic office that was completely depleted because of the previous administration, a fact that you conveniently left out. If a uniform is lost by the student, why would the school be the one to pay for it?? If a kid loses a textbook, a computer, or a library book the family pays for it. 

I didn't conveniently leave it out. The booster clubs and OSAF were stuck footing unpaid bills left by the departure and lack of oversight of some of the coaches. I've sat in many a board meeting and interaction with those organizations and have first hand knowledge of it.  Unfortunately not much has changed with the new athletic office. An AD that had never been a head coach of anything is now running a 7A district and is more worried about pacifying and not making waves until retirement over moving the district forward. As far as the invoices, in OS it's all listed in the docket of claims and gets charged to Athletics. Part of the problem is most of these districts don't go any further than the broad overview of the budgets as required by state statue, you never get to see how those budgets are actually divided and broken out.